How does this go after law abiding citizens. How does it impact them in any way? Okay, so what. Does that make the executive order wrong. I'm not arguing what he says, just what the order is. You're basically saying these orders are wrong because you don't like how he blamed congress. It doesn't work that way. And now we're to the crux of the issue. You think it limits a right. it does not in my opinion. If you disagree, show me what part of the order limits constitutional rights except for those that would not pass a background check. Why won't law abiding folks have guns? What part of his orders makes it to where law abiding folks don't have guns? What will make this tougher for you? Point out the exact language that will prevent someone who has the right to get a gun to get one. It isn't there and I bet you still haven't read the executive order because if you did, you wouldn't say this.
So what's the downside of making sure that people who are selling lots of guns get licensed and perform background checks? Maybe it stops one criminal, maybe it doesn't, but it's worth a shot because there really is no downside. This is not the case at all. He left it intentionally vague because there's no way to cover every situation. Have you ever read the IRS code? Full of vagueries. For example, if your primary source of income is building and selling buildings, you are a dealer. you use common judgment and you're fine. The lady in your scenario would not be considered a dealer by any reasonable person. And anyone selling 2 or 3 guns doesn't qualify unless they do it continually with the main reason to be a source of profit. If you buy a gun, use it, and sell it, that's not you.
Yes, I do. Tea party? "Conspirator"? What the fuck ever. I take no part in that organization/movement/whatever you want to call it. I don't know who is involved with it, I don't belong to any groups associated or affiliated, I don't read supportive or related blogs or forums, I have never given as much as a penny to the cause or anyone who may support the cause. My post above came from the Associated Press. Are they tea party now? Tell Mr. Teflon President that his quacking sounds exactly like a duck who want to reverse the 2nd amendment.
The NRA helps preserve our rights by keeping up the pressure on politicians who may be tempted to vote for gun control. If it wasn't for the NRA and the money and influence they are able to wield the gun grabbers might have already had their way. In the spirit of the holidays I'm going to make a donation in your name.
The NRA fear mongers to the weak minded. Case in point, I've asked anyone in this thread to point to a specific item in the executive order that they don't like. I still doubt anyone's read it, but you've all read about why the NRA says you shouldn't like it.
No idea. It's strange though that it is put out there like an insult or accusation. Let's start here.... "The FBI is overhauling the background check system to make it more effective and efficient. The envisioned improvements include processing background checks 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, and improving notification of local authorities when certain prohibited persons unlawfully attempt to buy a gun. The FBI will hire more than 230 additional examiners and other staff to help process these background checks." -The FBI is in shambles and has been for quite awhile. So now he wants to hire more people and hand this important process over to them? Nice. "ATF is finalizing a rule to require background checks for people trying to buy some of the most dangerous weapons and other items through a trust, corporation, or other legal entity." -Why does the government need this info? If it's a legal entity and it's not a dealer, then why does it matter? "Make our communities safer from gun violence". -Wow. Impressive. That is a slogan, not a policy. In this case, it's his excuse for hiring more than 200 more ATF agents. "The Administration is proposing a new $500 million investment to increase access to mental health care." -This is politician speak for bullshit. What does it mean SPECIFICALLY? Access to health care is not the same as law enforcement training on mental health issues nor access to weapons. "If we can set it up so you can’t unlock your phone unless you’ve got the right fingerprint, why can’t we do the same thing for our guns?" -Simple Simon. I suppose he's never heard of hacking. Again, this will do nothing to stop the determined law breakers. Gun safety? It's nice but has nothing to do with mass killings.
Trying to improve the system by hiring more people is bad. The FBI is in shambles? Since when? so you think individuals should have background checks but if that individual starts a corporation and makes the same transaction, they shouldn't have to go through a background check? Got it. so you don't want to make our communities safer from gun violence. got it. I understand if you don't think it will work, but what harm does it do? These guys, from what I understand, will be working to improve the background checks.
This. The NRA and gun manufacturers are thrilled at Obama's actions. Scared white people are buying guns and ammo faster than a Fox News viewer can use the N-word.
