thats a riot! now youre giving billionaires credit for keeping their wealth. i agree that the selfmade rich are quite admirable on numerous levels, but now you are trying to transfer that to the fortunate ones? your earlier post had --"billionaires didnt get that way by being idle". im saying youre wrong. those that have to work so hard to "maintain" their fortune are rewarded with no payroll tax, no income tax and a capital gains tax much less than my income tax. they should pay their fare share. and no envy. i know its hard to be happy when youre just suckin on the teet of your trust fund and the country.
rich democrats should pay the same taxes as rich republicans. unless congress wants to pass an a-hole tax on the gop.
Riiight! So they're fortunate. So what? That doesn't give the country any right to what is theirs. Others are less fortunate. So what? Too bad. Life sucks sometimes.
Universal Health Care is not socialism. I knew you didn't know it. Socialism noun 1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy. Obama does not advocate and collective ownership of property and goods. Democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.
Well, nyaa, nyaa, nyaa back at you, Porky. so·cial·ism –noun 1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
From Wikipedia...."Universal health care systems require government involvement, typically in the forms of enacting legislation, mandates and regulation. In some cases, government involvement also includes directly managing the health care system" Your definition above should read "goods and services are owned collectively by a centralized government." That's why universal health care systems are also known as socialized medicine. His party does, or did you not hear Maxine Waters say she wanted to nationalize big oil a couple of weeks ago? And typically, socialism wields its power to achieve its ends. So what would you call a Presidential candidate that would punish an industry for being successful by putting an arbitrary cap on how much profit it can make, and seek to take away anything above that cap? That's what a windfall profits tax is, and that's what Obama wants to do to big oil. SF, that's definition number 1 according to dictionary.com. Here's number 3.: (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles. That's where Obama and company want to take us.
Colorado is the perfect example of a so called moderate democrat being elected. The problem with this is that you get the extremists along with him. Ritter is paying back the left for supporting him such as labor unions, Trans gender public restrooms among other things. Obama is another Jimmy Carter, I've been saying this all along. Jimmy Carter already tried this and we had a gas shortage because of it! The last few posts in this thread is why anyone that is open minded should not vote democrat, ever, especially if they prefer capitalism over socialism. Once we lose our freedom, country, its over. Liberals want the government to run everything, give free handouts and to ban most if not all guns, Washington DC for example. The supreme court has ruled in our favor but my understanding is that DC gun ban is still in existence. Don't forget the good guys guns were taking away in New Orleans leaving the bad guys with weapons, no wonder all of that chaos happened after Katrina. The funny thing is Mississippi was hit just as bad if not worse and they didn't have that problem. See Sabanfan's sig, Democrats have failed many people in this country and they continue to vote for them regardless, brainless robots. I'm throwing this all in because its examples of the Democrats taking away freedom slowly! The Supreme court also is important, we need to try to get more conservatives in office so that they can make decisions based on the constitution and not some laws from foreign land, see imminent domain!
His plan to impose a windfall profits tax on the oil companies in order to give Americans a $1000 rebate. That's a redistribution of wealth, which, whether you choose to admit it or not, is socialism.
Excellent. Glad to see you use your dictionary. :thumb: You'll notice that a universal health plan does not constitute government ownership of the "means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole." All true. Note that "government involvement" in "managing the health care system" does not constitute collective ownership of any citizen's property or business. Have you noticed that there is "government involvement" in managing our national defense system? Is that socialism? Is the Post Office socialism? A comment from one person is NOT a party platform and you know it. Why do you think an industry should rake in the biggest profits in corporate history while the US middle-class citizens are suffering from high gas prices? Where do you think those $billions came from--US consumers, that's who! Exxon didn't do any work for that profit. Their costs of producing, transporting, and refining the oil, did not go up. They are just taking overrides on the high price of oil to make windfall profits that they have not earned and they are not putting them back into new refineries and production. Nobody minds them earning money on their work, just on artificially inflated oil prices from abroad. They should not profit by US citizens troubles. In Marxist theory? There are no Marxists running for President. Obama does not promote or practice Marxism. Prove it. Show me where Obama or any democrat wants to make the US into a socialist economy or a communist government? You can't do it. You made it up.
dont want to take the money they inherited, just for them to be taxed at the same rate that i am (although progressive tax probably wouldnt be a bad idea). how am i not able to get this idea across? the super-rich dont get their money from income so they just pay capital gains---and they hire tons of attorneys to help them figure out how to hide their money. the country has a right and an obligation to tax money that they make. yes, life sux sometimes. when it does, it should be rectified. vote for obama. change we can believe in.
