We've heard this before. Karl Rove predicted 40 years of Republican rule in 2000. But it denies history and logic. If the democrats go anywhere, they won't go very far. Both parties fail to understand that narrow voting margins will never allow them to impose their entire ideology on everybody. The other party always returns and then the payback begins. Nobody wins.
The problem with this health care plan is that it was designed on purpose so that all the bad things hit us after the November elections That is a pretty hilarious statement when you look at the lies and the corruption of this administration as well as this congress. Lack of transparency and all partition, refuse to work with the other side, remember minority rights issue? Most ethical congress? Where to start with Obama? I think we need to continue a rule that the moderate liberal and other liberals made up. We shouldn't look back to the last administration, talk about this one that is here right now, last one is history. NO?:rofl: He has spent more money than any other president in history. We are headed in the same direction as Greece? He is bankrupting the country between stimulus and health care. WE won't be able to defend ourselves years down the road. He lied about transparency and Cspan. He and the Dems have made special deals to pass a bad health care plan and has gone against the polls. They haven't treated states equally through special deals. I seriously hope you are a tax payer and not a receiver and anyone else that thinks like you. Money doesn't grow on trees and someone will pay for this!
Not true. He's not even close to passing Bush yet who had 8 budget deficits to Obama's one. Bush's own Trillion-dollar health law, unpaid entitlements, and two expensive wars in addition to cutting federal income will keep him ahead for a long time yet. Not in the least. Why evidence do you have to suggest this? We have damn little in common with Greece. The country is not bankrupt, the stimulus helped to prevent that. Complete and utter nonsense that you couldn't back up if your life depended on it. There are plenty of things to criticize without making stuff up.
wages go up when the economy is healthy, that means when taxes are low, particularly on the people writing the paychecks, the evil rich. because morons are more concerned with BS health care legislation than infrastructure.
I'm going to try and be as nice as I can be under the circumstances. I am not interesting in having a political discussion with you ever again until you are more moderate in your stances when it comes to criticizing the parties. Obama is bad but Bush was worse? In other words you are ok with a liberal destroying the country over a republican. I'm not ok with either. What this administration has done is illegal and unethical in many ways. We know you have no problem with it because they aren't Republicans. Got it!:wink:
Re: Links to Full Text of Health Care Bills OK, the graph is question is about the statement you made regarding unemployment. What I said about it was that it "Seems to be nosing over to me", not that the threat is over or that it signalled a downward trend. But it could very well do so. No one knows where things may go, but there IS a peak on the chart. But your point on trailing fluctuations is fair and it works the same way for both curves. Here is why I think the comparison is not direct: This employment graph covers two years of employment during the economic crisis that we are pulling out of. The global warming graphs represent thousands of years of climate data. You understand the laws of big numbers as well as I do. Trends lasting hundreds of years are more reliable indicators than those lasting dozens of months. I think I can make a better case for correlating the recovering employment curve with the recovering economy to postulate that a peak has occurred in the short term, because we are using short term data. The 0.3 percent dip after the peak on the employment chart represents a dip that is outside of the other dips on it's curve. I think you will have more difficulty making the case that a level trend of a few years within hundreds and hundreds of years of upward trending represents a peak. Especially when it falls within the historic fluctuation of the curve.
SDM: A little less emotion and little more facts and your arguments might have a chance of being compelling. The same old sky is falling lacks originality, if nothing else. You have convinced me that from your perspective, nothing Obama could or would do would be worthy. I am not going to change your mind. Nor am I even going to try to. You have as much right to feel the way you do as I have right to feel like I do. A word of advice. In arguments that matter, coming across as stonewalled never ever helps your position. I do have to say, however, that there is nothing that Obama has said, proposed, or done, that even puts him in the same league as Bush, Cheney and that gang. Nothing. The facts will show, however, that the mischief and de-regulation of the Bush years will have, in the end, contributed as much if not more via the required and inept bailouts, than the "so-called" health insurance bill to our nation's fiscal instability. The reason, the health insurance money is money to be spent, or not spent, but the money lost to Wall Street mischief, in collusion with ineptness on the part of the last President is out the door. Talking finances and bailout here, not even the illadvised and lingering war in Iraq and that ill spent fortune. As you mature, you will realize that nothing is ever quite as bad as it seems and conversely nothing is ever as good as it seems. I wish I could convince you the so called health care bill will never be enacted as odorous as it seems to you now. It might save you some sleep. I do vote and I do pay taxes, just so you know. I also consider my opinions, not let raw emotion carry the day. To your health! hwr
This is the reason I turned on Obama. The stimulus bill had very little money set aside for shovel ready infrastructure projects in favor of democratic pet projects that gave us no immediate stimulation (hehe!).
