Obama and Healthcare reform

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  1. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    Your post is another reason why its about the government take over of health care.
    If it was about healthcare the other 5% would be covered.
     
  2. TheDude

    TheDude I'm calmer than you.

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    It's a crap bill, filled with crap, and everyone here knows it's crap. It does not do any of the things being advertised by supporters.

    But the president, the dems, and apparently their shills here will keep spouting the talking points(lies) about how much it saves, how much better everyone will be, how many doctors support it, etc. etc. Then fall back on how awful the repubs and bush were, and how the current ones have no solutions. Complete and total lies, and every time I hear it come out of a supposedly rational person's mouth, I know they are no longer trustworthy. This goes far beyond any party loyalty, and the majority of Americans (dems, repubs and independents)are clearly stating that.

    The purpose is distraction long enough to get it in place. They know full well it will collapse, and then what do we do? Well, we have to turn to Big Daddy Govt to take it over, as in all things that private industry "cannot handle". No matter that the deck is being stacked against that very thing.

    It is truly an abomination. What an embarrassment.
     
  3. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    They were tax cuts for tax payers, but you spin it like the rest of the liberals. The rest of your post is crap as well.
     
  4. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    What is hilarious is that the student loan legislation had to be tacked on to this bill to create some savings for the CBO to find.

    The reporting on the CBO projection has been horrible. I have found no mention on all the ifs in the assessment. For that trillion dollar savings to be realized alot will have to be enacted by future congresses, and if the past is any indicator most of that will not happen.
     
  5. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    Not to mention people forget about the taxes being collected from the time this passes until it takes effect.
    This whole thing is just a bad PR campaign!
     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    No, it was tax cuts for very wealthy tax payers, but you spin it like the rest of the right-wingers.

    Well, that's convincing . . ::lol:
     
  7. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    If that is what you think you are completely clueless. I don't think you even understand the Bush tax cuts as indicated by previous conversations about them.
     
  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Uhh . . . thank you. I think you have a corn cob up your chute. Do you have an actual argument?
     
  9. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    You made the asinine comment thecuts were for wealthy tax payers. There is no way you can back that up. It was a comprehensive package. Few benefitted from it more than the middle class.
     
  10. mobius481

    mobius481 Registered Member

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    It widened the 10% tax bracket. It widened the 15% tax bracket for married filing jointly, and brought the married filing separately 15% tax bracket in line with the single filers. Standard deductions for married filing jointly turned into exactly double the single filers as well. It raised the child credit up to 1,000 from 600 (which is phased out for the very wealthy and doesn't help them at all).

    This doesn't even bring in the small business tax cuts but I guess those don't count because everyone with a small business is "very wealthy".

    The wealthy got tax cuts too, that is true, but it wasn't just a tax cut for the wealthy no matter how you spin it.
     
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