here is the article where it is mentioned..... Dems sweeten health bill, set showdown Sunday vote - Yahoo! News
But they want us to pay for it now.... Imagine making payments on a car you won't receive for 4 yrs? And I think congress may change sides in November, but based on the republicans of '05-06, I am cautious as to what they can/will do. It's far easier to block a bill than it is to repeal it.
It will almost be impossible for a Republican congress to do anything about this because they won't have the two thirds vote in both the house and senate to overide Obama's veto. This is all Obama and until you get rid of him nothing can be done to stop this.
Spare me your phony outrage. Obama's mistake was trying to be bipartisan with republicans for a year. All they did was obstruct and deny. So now he's doing what he should have done all along and what Bush did before him. He's going to take his majority votes and pass what the majority wants. Polls don't run this country, elected officials do and the democrats are the majority. Bush used the same procedure to ram tax cuts for the wealthy past objections of democrats and no poll support. Where was your objection to partisan politics then? Bush used the same procedure to pass his own Trillion dollar Health care plan in the Medicare Prescription Plan which was a windfall for the drug industry. Where was your objection to that unfunded waste of taxpayer money? At least Obama is trying to pay for his plan. Bush only planned to borrow to pay for his and leave it all for the next guy to work out. Bush used the same procedure to pass "No Child Left Behind", in which the government took over high school education in this country, made new rules that pissed off almost all the teachers, . . . and it hasn't worked to improve education. Where was your outrage over government interference then? You are not outraged over spending, government takeovers, or political maneuvering at all. You just are against anything that a democrat does and support anything that a republican does. That's fine as long as you say it honestly.
But but but........Bush did it too! You are not outraged over spending, government takeovers, or political maneuvering at all. You just are against anything that a republican does and support anything that a democrat does. That's fine as long as you say it honestly.
I don't fall into the camp you described. My outrage is real. I hated Part D and thought NCLB was pretty terrible as well. The tax cuts were mostly great, but the estate tax provisions were pretty terrible. What I find completely laughable is your remark that Obama tried to work with Republicans. It is plainly not true. Coercing Republicans to bend to his will is not reaching across the aisle. The truth is the Republicans brought multiple proposals to the table, HR 3400, among them. None were even considered. Republican requests, tort reform, chief among them were said to be off limits from the get go. The problems this bill is having is that many Democrats don't support it. This bill is a disaster and is sure to increase the deficit and cripple the economy. I would support anyone who obstructs its passage.
That isn't the only lies in Reds speech. I looked the information up from various places. It is an outright lie to say that Bush did the same thing with the tax cuts and no child left behind. Ted Kennedy was a sponsor of no child left behind and both of these passed by congress voting, both sides not just one sided. Bush didn't give away everything to get these bills passed the way Liberals have done. Red needs to make his statements more clearly if he gave me the wrong impression! I am talking about the Slaughter rule here because I don't think it will pass! Sorry about that, I also had to clarify what I was saying and thinking! Right now is a tense, uneasy time in this country!
Not outraged, I understand that this is business as usual in Washington. I don't have to like it to accept how things work. Right now that is almost the case. The Republicans have their heads in the sand, have no leader in charge, and a pitiful record in the last decade that most of us do not want to return to. The last Republican I voted for was Bobby Jindal and that turned out to be a mistake. But I have always been a registered independent and I don't support democrats automatically or Obama specifically. I was a Hillary supporter. Democrats are just the only game in town that is not a return to the dreadful Republican politics we just got out of, so I'm willing to let them try to make some changes because the status quo sucks. And I have supported and voted for Republicans many times when I thought they were the more pragmatic party, Bush 41 and Reagan specifically. Todays republican party is a right-wing ideological nightmare responsible for two bungled wars, the economic collapse, a huge budget deficit (Obama still hasn't come close to the deficts of Bush 43), while coddling the super-rich, and the financial industry.
these statements, from the centrist thread, brings up a big reason of why i am against this bill... the way this thing morphs and changes seemingly by the second, and there is so much buried in it already, we dont truly know wtf we are getting. at least i dont. there are already things i am opposed to, but i do not trust this congress to put together a final bill that does not contain even a lot more that i am opposed to. this thing is so convoluted and massive that i just dont trust the final outcome. instead of this monstrosity, i would have rather seen a series of smaller bills, in increments, addressing different areas of health care reform, to let people vote on reform in ways that will let some things pass, turn down others. almost by category instead of a "everything including the kitchen sink" type bill. give us a bill on things that can be done in the areas of technology that can reduce health care costs. give us a bill on how to serve the working poor without insurance and low income children to get the er's back to emergencies, and not as primary health care for those without insurance, driving up the states costs. give things more of a chance for an up or down vote on the merits of each bill, not this all or nothing. i HATE this bill and that is part of the reason. no, everyone would not get what they want if done like i want, but it would better serve the people, imo. it would be a fight, but i also believe we would get better reform. and i think that on the case by case basis, the support or lack of support by the public would be very convincing. if people werent so freakin confused about what each bill was, they would feel more comfortable with saying "yes, i think this bill is a good idea" and trust what they were getting, and those they didnt like say "no we dont like and this is why". i think the middle would have a better chance of prevailing in a small series of bills. and yes red, you said so yourself. the way it is being done is the same way the pubs shoved some sh*t down our throats. i detest it when either side does it. in this case, i dont think fearing the unknown is unreasonable. this bill is a monster that could have anything thown in, who knows what might be buried in the fine print and interpretation already, and is so mf'ing large and all over the place, makes it the perfect piece of legislation for getting things into. this is where i am disappointed in the moderates for not killing it early on and not saying "lets do things different and in a more reasonable fashion".
