I'm telling you what I think, Red. You don't have to agree. I'm in the here and now. I don't care what happened before. I am griping about THIS House's use of the reconciliation process. I was for the tax cuts because they were a good thing. Frankly, I wasn't aware of the reconciliation methods because it wasn't that big a deal. Even though libs and the media tried to paint it as a tax cut for the wealthy, it put money in my considerably unwealty pockets as well.
Nothing will change as long as we keep voting for candidates from either of the two parties. I can't even tell them apart anymore.
ok then. i dont know enough about the legislative process to have a good opinion of the subject. im just glad its out in the open. if anything they do is really improper then i trust the gop to demand the judicial branch to do something.
The House doesn't like what the Senate did with the bill they passed. Normally they would reject it and both sides would start over. Now, unfortunately (and despite Red's attempts to show otherwise) Pelosi, Reid and Obama want a bill passed and as as soon as possible. The only way for that to happen is for the House to hold their nose and pass the Senate version which will then be the law. The House members hope they can then load the bill up with liberal candy (euphemistically referred to as "reconciliation") and have the Senate agree to keep the changes. A few Dem Representatives don't trust the Senate and are fearful that they will pass the Senate measure but not end up with the biggest lollipop of all, i.e., federal funding for abortion, in the final version. These few are presently getting bribes offered, under the table, by Pelosi and Obama, who cancelled his Asia trip for just that purpose.
No problem with that. But I sometimes have to back you off of declarative statements when you're just exercising your imagination.
i thought this congress did a pretty good thing when they refused to bail out wall street the first time, but then they sold their souls. I tell you one thing though, there is this one woman named Marcy Kaptur who is a democrat from Ohio, and i think this woman is a great congresswoman.
If I don't specifically quote, just assume "IMO" at the beginning of my posts. Do you honestly feel that the "legacy" argument has no substance?
Well, since we can't read your mind, hear your inflections, or note any cynicism, it permits one to assume that you are ignorant, bigoted, or kind of shallow. The clever among us use the phrases "I believe", "perhaps", "I think", and such to cover their asses when they know they can't back something up. It gives the speaker some control over others' assumptions. Honestly. You certainly have offered no substance, so its not really an argument at all. Just another amusing remark from the peanut gallery. Look, every politician that ever was possesses an ego that most of us can't comprehend and wants to leave a legacy. But in that sense, making an issue of any single politician or bill is just meaningless. If you state "Obama only wants the House to pass the Senate Bill so he can sign it. All of the reconciliation crap means nothing to him. Either way, he has a bill and can crow about his place in history, doing something no other president has been able to do. THAT is his motivation.", then you understand nothing about politics. He ran on this platform, was elected, and now is following through. You would be the first to call him a failure if he didn't give a maximum effort to deliver his biggest campaign promise. Anyway, what bigger legacy could he aspire to than what he has already accomplished in getting his multicultural ass elected against heavyweights like McCain and Hillary? But if Obama is smart, and nobody accuses him of being dumb, he understands that legacies are not made coming out of the gate. His legacy will be what people talk about after he is out of office, not what he does in his first year. If he's shooting for long-term goals instead of short-term expediency, his legacy stands a much better chance.
I am not the first President to take up this cause, but I am determined to be the last. -Obama to JS of Congress 9/09 This, or a variation thereof is in every speech he's made on the subject for the past year.
Pelosi, Democrats Descend Into Full-Fledged Insanity With Reconciliation Bill TheHill.com is reporting that the House Budget Committee tonight released a 2,309-page bill which purports to “reconcile” the differences between the House and Senate versions of Obamacare. Early indications are that this “reconciliation bill” is far worse than either of its predecessors, but the word is that this bill, which includes a public option, government funding for abortions, a federal takeover of student loans, the controversial Health Choices Administration which Sarah Palin referred to as a “death panel,” monopoly Health Insurance Exchanges and other poison pills, is actually just a shell. The real “reconciliation bill” will come about as a result of the markup process in the House Budget Committee.
