Don't forget that there was an ongoing investigation at the time that these pictures were aired and if that woman in the pictures was a minor CBSuck would be in deep Sh*t. I'm just a pissed off American right now, you think America could unite and say your either with us or against us but its all about politics. As far as I'm concerned we could nuke all the middle eastern countries and throw Teddy Kennedy in there as well. Nothing would make me happier! I'm a little bit puzzled by asking CBSuck instead of telling them not to since their was an investigation going on.
You're kidding right? You want the government to control the media? Assuming the information wasn't illegally obtained and is not a threat to our national security, the US Government has no business asking/telling the media not to report something. I'm not a fan of the crappy journalism and reporting we see today, but we'll have much bigger problems if our government starts to control the media!
This is why you go in full force or not at all. This is what we are dealing with and pussyfooting around like we've done here and in Viet Nam and Somalia won't get it done. If you are going to 'liberate" a country you do it no matter the cost or don't get involved. You can't sit back and negotiate with the Al Qaida's or Bani Sadr's or count on their good will because they don't have any. As Adolf Hitler said, "The only answer to terror is greater terror" but we are not terrorists and they know we won't stoop to their level and intimidate the civilian population into turning these cowards over to us. The first thing that needs to be done is turn the Israelis loose on the Palestinians and let them wipe them out as the Bible teaches. The second thing is to let anybody who may pose a threat to us directly or indirectly know that we will do WHATEVER it takes to eliminate the threat and then make sure we follow up on the promise. If we are going to stay in Iraq, then we need to let the people who are with us fight the fight. Either you are with us for you or you are against us. If you're with us, kick the bastards out and turn them over to us and fight alongside of us. If not, nothing including your lives, homes, mosques or businesses will be spared in our pursuit of them. This is your country and your freedom we are fighting for and it is time you bore the burden and sacrifice. If we can't do that then we neeed to get the hell out and leave them to what ever happens to them. The next thing is for us to stop trying to be the worlds policeman and MOOFB!!!!! And I am sick and tired of hearing how the media is to blame. I personally want to know these things and you should to. I see this anti-Bush sentiment (in the press) in these posts and it just makes me want to puke. I guess most of you weren't around during the Viet Nam war so you don't know how LBJ was villified by the so called Liberal press. These same types of things were reported then and thank God for it. Walter Cronkite, Dan Rather, Morley Safer, Peter Jennings and Tom Brokaw were all reporters who broadcast from VN the same types of stories as are reported now from Iraq and LBJ was a Democrat. It is the job of the press to report things. If you don't like freedom of the press and freedom of speech then maybe you should move to Iran or Syria or North Korea or China where you'll get only what the government wants you to know. Since so many of you are so blindly led and supportive of everything this administration says and does, that might be a good place for you. In those places, you are not ony not required but prohibited from thinking for yourselves.
good post mike, til the closing. I agree we should be in there full force or not at all. However, this UN crap weighs heavily on any admnistration like a barrel of lead. Somehow you have to find a way to fight a war yet try to follow the rest of the world's rules....then try to pretend that its a coalition force and we are not alone. The problem is we are alone and always will be minus the UK until someone needs a handout. Yeah we are all about freedom of press, mike, but you already are being manipulated by the press. Its handpicked as to what is shown to you, to enrage you, to jade you. You are blindly following the media administration as you claim the supporters of Bush are doing. If we went in full force wiping out Mosques and all famlies and children sparing none....then how do you think this media who cries for the panties on a head of a POW to react to such things? The footage should not have been shown...the media and pentagon have hundreds of thousands of pictures which they can make into a frenzy however they wish. To think its good to 'let the public know whats going on' is almost laughable.
I can't believe I agreed with some of Mikes post. TwistedTiger, I'm not for government controlled media of course not. However, There has to be a balance since the media has no morals, they shouldn't be showing pictures while an investigation is underway about the same subject. What the media and CBS has done is undermind the war effort in Iraq and last I checked that wasn't a good thing to do, i'm not a lawyer but it would seem to me that doing such a thing as underminding the operation and putting the soldiers on tv with identity puts them in harms way, thier lives maybe in serious danger in Iraq. Those soldiers in the pictures are going to be courtmarshalled but they have the photos on thier side because they were shown on tv before thier trial. Anyone should be innocent until proven guilty but the soldiers are already guilty be the medias standards. I am for the media being controlled in one circumstance only and thats time of war. The media is partially why we lost the Vietnam war and I have a link I will post here that proves it! Link:http://washtimes.com/commentary/20040415-090923-9426r.htm
"Anyone should be innocent until proven guilty but the soldiers (Iraqi prisoners) are already guilty by the media (certain American citizens) standards." Nice bit of hypocritical double standard there, Sourdough! And any fool who thinks that the rest of the world will not know what's going or went on in America if the whole of the American press is silent is a complete imbecile. The rest of the world has press too and things are going to get reported whether the American press censors itself or the gov't censors it. So get off that idiotic idea.
I have no idea what your talking about as far as a double standard but I will tell you that I will stick up for an American everytime before any foreigner. I will say that I would be looking over my shoulder if I thought the person behind me was from the middle east versus an American. September 11th has made me take a closer look at my surroundings. As far as the rest of the world is concerned, I don't give a damn about France, Germany or any other country that is 2 faced. I don't care what they think. So, what do you think if the rest of the pics aren't allowed to come forward. What is important is that we find a way to restrain the media from reporting things they shouldn't report that gets more Americans killed such as pictures and some Democratic statments that are harmful to the war effort. They have satellites in Iraq and the middle east and when the media reports things they shouldn't it gives comfort and courage to the enemy. Do you not believe that? Communications have never been so readily available today around the world. The enemy can see everything...
i dont know if i fully agree with sourdough on all counts, because i dunno if i would expect the news to keep quiet. i definitely fault people who blow our problem with prisoners out of proportion, especially given that we have seen how much worse things can be. i cant really comment on the newr stuff, i dunno, maybe we have done some pretty bad stuff. but so far i have seen nothing that if it happened to me i couldnt shake off and easily live a happy life afterwards. so, i dont think i blame the media for showing the photos. that is their job. sourdoughman, dont you think a coverup involving the media would be even worse? meaning if they do not publish the photos, and people find out they didnt because of pressure from the military, wouldnt that be bad? i like that the media is not scared to publish things. we have nothing to hide. we make mistakes, but its not like we are sawing innocent people's heads off. it would be different if the media was publishing secret stuff that would compromise a mission or something, like releasing secret attack plans or stuff. if they did that, they should be hanged for treason. but this, i dont have any trouble with .
The media is now sensationalizing the details - it's not like they broke the story and put it out there. Every non-FoxNews channel is harping on these details: Over 72 hours of sleep deprivation, uncomfortable positions for over 45 minutes, etc, etc. I served in the U.S. Army and during training 72 hours of sleep deprivation and painfully uncomfortable positions was the norm. Have you seen the pictures from the front lines? Our boys are sleeping on the desert floor in sand storms. Have you ever stood watch in a fox hole for 15 hours? It ain't comfortable - oh, and you might get your brains shot out if you fall asleep, so very often sleep deprivation is in order. Only in America can the people who want to chop our heads off go from enemies to victims in one week.
