New York-Based Radical Muslim Hails Fort Hood Massacre

I agree that Islamists are the threat.

But Red has a point, although I take his point further.

Commanders are routinely faced with religious and political behavior in the ranks that threaten not only good order and discipline, but also undermines the professional aspect of our military. And it's the professional aspect that makes the US military so much better than any other. Particularly professionalism among the NCO ranks. Damned near unique in the world, and our greatest asset IMO.

So when religion or politics are allowed to establish a voice beyond private, unofficial gatherings, we're playing with fire.

Lots of examples of this. I'm afraid this is yet another, albeit very extreme, result of what can happen.

What would I do? Ride herd on political statements in official functions (which has been way too lenient for way too long) and forbid religious discussion, preaching, etc. on duty. That's what the chapel and the chaplain are for. Outside of those walls, shut your hole and do your job.

 

i read somewhere, and i think it may have been in an article i linked in the rt, hasan stated at times he was "a muslim first, and an american second".

i would think that would be a huge red flag to loyalty.

as far as the pickle kis.... er, "dont ask, dont tell", i think it is the best way to go, because i think shane hit the nail on the head with

which is why i think that serving openly would be difficult at best. but at the same time, i dont see why it should keep someone from serving if they are a good soldier and dont make it a distraction.

seems to me, and this is just my opinion, but if i were in the service i think i would rather serve with someone who was gay, kept it to themselves, but was a professional at their job and a damned good soldier, rather than a "muslim first, american second". if i was gonna worry about something, id rather it be about someone possibly hitting on me than one of "my own" shooting me.

 

isnt god then country the priority list of ever religious person on earth?

 

do religious people believe in "thou shall not kill" but serve in the armed forces or in law enforcement where their jobs may force them to have to kill another/others? those people are putting their oath before religion, and many of them im sure very religious.

 

obviously they believe that the commandment means they shouldnt kill innocent people for no reason. but that isnt the point. i am sure religious folks can find a way to justify whatever they want, any way they want.

my point is that i think the christians here would say that god comes first, then their country. it is a stupid and meaningless thing to say, but i dont think this muslim saying he is ""a muslim first, and an american second" make him unique at all. my guess is that 80% of folks in the military think their religion is more important than their country.

 

and my guess is that 99.999999% of them would not kill others in the military FOR their religion.

when one is that outspoken that their religion comes first, i would see a red flag. articles are stating he was beligerent about it. fanaticism in any religion is a problem, imo. in hindsight, this guy seemed to show fanaticism. radical fanatics in christianity kill abortion doctors. its ok to oppose abortion, but peacefully. fanatics in any religion seem to think its ok to kill for their religion. and this guy did.

radical islam and serving in the US military seem very contradictory to each other, given the wars we are fighting.

 

I like to say that every part of society has nuts and kooks associated with it.
We just take notice when it has a religion attached to it.

I also find it hilarious that some people bring up a few Christians who have done things, so called Christians anyway, we can't really prove if they are or not.
Let me just say that its easier to prove a Muslim extremist than a christian extremist.

 

but they would all say that religion and their god is more important to them than anything. so you havent found a unique atttribute that raises a red flag, something that help you identify the guy in advance.

again, when every person raises that flag, no one stands out and you have learned nothing. i dont know any religious person that wouldnt say that god is most important, and in fact more important than family and country.

i guess. i didnt really see that he had said much of anything radical. pretty run of the mill religious stuff.