New oil discovery in US could make us energy independent

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  1. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    Light crude can be created from any organic material. There is a plant in Missouri that uses the leftovers from a turkey plant to make oil. The process is called Thermal Depolymerization .

    This process mimics the fossil fuel theory, and its verifiable success
    pretty much disproves the Russian-Ukranian theory of abiotic oil.
     
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  2. red55

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    Not exactly, although it certainly proves oil biogenesis. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Positive lab results from either theory do not automatically invalidate the other one. I disbelieve abiotic oil because it hasn't yet produced commercial quantities of oil from igneous rock sources. On the other hand oil has been found for over a century by looking in the places where thick sedimentary rock forms basins and traps. All the worlds oil, in fact. And they find it by looking in the places where biogenesis of oil is likely to happen. This is powerfully suggestive evidence.

    Still, the abiotc theory could someday prove to have validity as technology improves. There is no rule that says petroleum cannot have more than one origin process.
     
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  3. kedo15

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    I don't think this disproves the abiotic theory.Is it possible to turn anything organic into oil in a plant designed to do so?Absolutely.
    When I was in the grocery business,twice a week a truck would come around and get all the meat scraps out of bone barrels in the meat department.This material would be taken to a plant and would then be turned into lipsticks ,cosmetics ,detergents and diesel.No big secret there.

    The problem i have with this theory is if I take any organic thing { say all my dead pets that have buried in my dad's backyard,of which Steven King could write a novel about.}And i go start trying to dig them all up,how many are going to be 10w40.I didnt bury them deeply enough for that to happen? Oh,okay ....so how deep should i bury them.
    All those mass graves of victims in Iraq over Saddam's regime.They dug those up and i don't recall any of them turning into 10w40 either.Just skeletons or pieces of bones and clothes and thats it.With all the oil in the middle east ,the conditions should have been right for at least one Kurd to become at least a quart of crude.
     
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  4. red55

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    You could try the bottom of the ocean in the delta basin of a large river. Plankton live in the ocean, you know.

    Uhhh . . . no. But bury them in a layer of sand or shells and cover them with about 6,000 feet of mud and clay and wait patiently for several millions of years and you got it!
     
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  5. kedo15

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    Red ,you obviously make some great points and I would like to get your opinion on these questions.You are a worthy adversary and I knew that before I started this. These are all assumptions based on no known facts.I would like to get your assumptions .
    1} 20 years ago the belief in the United States fossil fuel vs Abiotic oil was 99.9 fossil fuel to .01 abiotic.
    2} 5 years ago it was 95% fossil fuel vs 5% abiotic.
    3}Today,maybe 90% fossil fuel vs 10% abiotic.

    Where will we be 20 years from now?closer to 50-50,100 -0 one side or the other,or a belief both occur?
     
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    I don't think we are at 5% belief or are likely to go higher unless someone actually starts pumping oil from deep igneous rocks and the oil field never gets depleted. I ain't holding my breath, amigo.
     
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    Saturn here we come...the future of the galaxy is the American Oilfield Culture. All aspects of Outer Space Technology will blossom in the fertile soil of capitalism. Ahhh, the future looks grand...I can even imagine George W. Bush worshipping civilizations on Rieticulum 4, far into the future.
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  8. LSUsupaFan

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    I said that it disproves abiotic genesis because I read an abstract on abiotic oil that said the fossil fuel theory could not be correct because of abiotic creation. I assumed the reverse is true.
     
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    along the same line, but with natural gas, a major reserve in shreveport found by chesapeake energy holds at least 7.5 trillion (yes, trillion with a t) cubic feet of natural gas, and could be as much as 20 trillion cubic feet.

    this is a major find to say the least and could be a major boost to shreveports economy. the downside to this find is that a lot of it is under an urban area. good luck with the fights of wanting to put natural gas platforms in urban areas.

    link to newsok.com article on the haynesville shale
     
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  10. Sensible

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    I can't believe all the arrogant, ignorant, science illiterate conservative redneck bigots and hypocrites out there. Ignorant and stupid people do indeed think (non - think) and operate in mass alright.
     
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