New Arizona Immigration Enforcement Laws

No problem, wetback.

Why do you ignore that these safeguards already exist. Why do you imagine that profiling is a new issue? Every policeman in the country receives training on profiling and ethics. We don't put police training into each and every law. You are being patently ridiculous about this.

Nobody is trying to oppress Americans, we are trying to suppress foreigners. Producing an ID is not abuse.

It's about national identity, not race. There are black, white and brown Mexicans. There are black white and brown Americans.

I know. Its a single-minded focus. You don't consider the big picture, the overall good of the United States, or the concept of "the lesser of two evils".

Those rights are not violated. Identifying ones self has never been held to be "unreasonable search and seizure."

Safeguards already exist. Look up "Central Arizona Regional Law Officers Training Academy" and "Arizona Law Enforcement Academy".

You'll find "Ethics & Professionalism, Laws of Arrest, Search & Seizure, Rules of Evidence", etc. In every curriculum.

Hell, Here is the ALEC curriculum: http://www.aleaonline.org/docs/basic_training_2005.pdf

No, you asserted the police had no proper training in ethics without bothering to check. I just provided evidence that they do. If you are now assertting something else, you go do the homework and show me evidence that Arizona police profile without hindrance, records, or training. You must demonstrate you are right. THEN I have to prove you are wrong.

You are reinventing the wheel, amigo. Police ethics is an old story with a long history and it has been addressed many, many times. The problem is not systemic and individual abuses must simply be prosecuted for abuse when it happens and clean house, as you say.

I regularly spell out my position and you spell out yours. This is the way it works. If you need a clarification, ask for one. I dislike questions that presuppose an answer within the question. I dislike having my position distorted and then attributed to me. That is all.

You sure ain't getting much support lined up behind you, Hoss. :lol:

You don't pay close attention. I said that ID is required in most instances. You can't be stopped simply to produce ID. A policeman has to be asking for it in the legal performance of his duties.

Don't be obtuse. Clearly a legal ID is a physical ID in this context.

I suggest that this issue is no different than many other legal issues "fraught with emotion" that the police must deal with every day.

Man. the paranoia here is yours. I don't think that the police are all out to get me. I don't think that that whites are all out to get browns. i don't think Americans are all out to get Mexicans. You have suggested these things.

I think I've made my point here. And I think you are just being argumentative, now. Not that I'm in any position to object . . . :hihi: