New Arizona Immigration Enforcement Laws

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  1. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    Sorry, MM, but you can't pull the race card and then try and deny it. Your 1st post in the thread was this:

    You did not express concern that some rogue cops could abuse the law and that was a potential danger. You did not mention that the law requires the suspect to be stopped for cause. No, you just painted the whole law with a broad racial brush. Intentional or not, that's pulling the race card.

    Once the kid jumped onto the field of play, the cops got to decide what's appropriate. If he didn't want to get "abused" he should have styayed in his seat. He won't do it again, I'm sure.
     
  2. PURPLE TIGER

    PURPLE TIGER HOPE is not a strategy!

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    Not wrong at all...I already said it was a story. I simply asked how much attention this would receive if the colors were different. You can deny it but you know the answer.
     
  3. DJM136

    DJM136 fubar 24/7

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    Easy and no different than provided to law enforcement agents across the country. Cop stops someone for reasonable suspicion of some possible law violation. You know, like you and I have been stopped in our lifetimes. Cop asks for ID, just like they always do the very first thing. No drivers license, no ID at all. If the someone gives a name and address, cop radios in to find out if it's valid info. If so, cop also probably checks for any criminal record. Cop doesn't care if he's green or blue, no ID raises the suspicion of an illegal alien. Which by the way, is illegal!

    I don't get why asking for an ID is all of a sudden racist.
     
  4. PURPLE TIGER

    PURPLE TIGER HOPE is not a strategy!

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    Good point...therefore no law should ever be enforced.

    After watching this administration and Congress, I'm not sure if laws still have to be constitutional.

    I guess that's the new claim when someone doesn't agree with something. "It's unconstitutional!" Do you think it may replace the race card claim as the most overused phrase? :lol:
     
  5. PURPLE TIGER

    PURPLE TIGER HOPE is not a strategy!

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    Somebody gets it. Damn red...this is going to hurt to give you rep! :grin:
     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Well, a case could be made that they took it from the Indians, but since they are ethnically Indian mostly anyway, a case could be made that they only changed their status from tribal to national.
     
  7. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    This is similar to my argument. We have two separate problems--illegal aliens and illegal profiling. Sometimes as a nation, we must consider the lesser of two evils or the greater of two virtues. I think one is a major problem and the other is a minor one.

    The best way to deal with each causes problems for the other because there is overlap and things in the real world almost never have simple black or white answers.There is a lot of gray here and it confuses things but also gives room for gray solutions. I think we have to trust the police and the courts to use their experience and judgement to address the problem of illegal aliens with a minimum of inconvenience to citizens. Because I don't think showing my ID is a tragedy, frankly. It's a minor inconvenience that I can tolerate to help control the problem. Airport security is a major hassle but we do it because we have to play our part in the overall effort. It works the same way with securing our borders for me.

    As long as the circumstances for making a legal identification are the same for everybody (and the law makes it clear that the officer has to prove his justifications in court) then I don't see a case for general racial profiling or harassment of citizens as a consequence of this law.

    As has always been the case, if an individual officer abuses his position, he can and should be held accountable. This law does not absolve them of the responsibility for assuring that the legal basis for detention (probable cause, reasonable suspicion, etc) is valid.
     
  8. LSUMASTERMIND

    LSUMASTERMIND Founding Member

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    Im sorry but you are wrong, I did express concern about the cops in subsequent post. Try again.
     
  9. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    Not in the 1st post. Your knee jerk reaction was, therefore, to yank out the card.
     
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  10. LSUMASTERMIND

    LSUMASTERMIND Founding Member

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    The problem is that you have an issue with the truth. If you know me so well point out a point in my life where I have played the victim. Furthermore you dont tell me to get over shyt, you dont tell me how to live my life according to your standards, matter of fact screw your standards, thats how i feel about them, Im doing just fine without them. You dont tell me how i should perceive injustice, i thought this was a free country, well thats how it was written. You are part of the problem, its that simple, you can deny whatever you want to. If there wasnt racism in this country, there wouldnt be a race card, it had to start somewhere with some one.

    I dont pretend to know you, you started that line of thought telling me what kind of person I am and assuming my voting patterns, its all in your prior post and now you deny that.

    like I said, no one can answer the question of how a police officers has reasonable suspicion of someone being in the country illegally.
     

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