New Arizona Immigration Enforcement Laws

thanks for the law lesson. it was needed since i didnt fully understand the distinctions, but i still need a practical explanation of what will correctly cause an officer to question legality. because i have a hard time imagining them asking a canadian for their papers.

 

"Teams of ICE agents, other federal officials and local police arrested 596 foreign nationals in Georgia, Florida, the Carolinas, Arkansas, Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, Tennessee and Puerto Rico, ICE officials said."

Immigrants swept up in ICE operation || OnlineAthens.com

 

I hesitate to get into this because I'm not a great debater, so I have an open mind if you disagree or make good points. I can't get why so many people overlook the word "illegal". Against the law. Criminal. I want them caught. They're caught based on percentages.

I may get slammed but profiling is necessary in determining legality and racial profiling is sometimes used. What's the percentage of illegal aliens in AZ or any border state being Mexican? 99.9999%? When anyone is stopped or questioned for any reason, don't they immediately produce a driver's license (which according to this law is sufficient)? I do and have many times. Happy to do it. When Baton Rouge was frantic over a serial killer, they looked for a white male. Why? Higher percentage of serial killers are white males. They questioned lots of them, got DNA samples. I'm a white male, and I wanted the murderer caught.

I don't want my tax dollars paying for police to question high percentages of whites/blacks about citizenship. I don't want a little old asian lady searched at the airport as 3 obvious muslim-looking men board the plane. If a murder happens and the suspect is an ugly white male in his 50s with curly hair, I'm fine when the police question me.

 

Because their hearts are too busy bleeding out.

 

this will target illegal hispanics. not illegal canadians, europeans or asians.

this may result in harassment (detention) of US citizens based solely on ethnicity.

only 60% of illegals cross the mx border. policies should not target only some particularly based on ethnicity/nationality.

 

i only have an issue with how the law is used, not how it is written.

for me, the main issue is your favorite, balance. they should very soon address this on the hiring side.

bringing up other countries laws in an argument with an american is rarely successful.

 

Not if they are stopped for some reasonable suspicion. You don't have a valid ID, you're arrested no matter what nationality. "Oh, you're illegal but from Canada? No problem, carry on. I'm only looking for Mexicans."

You have to show ID or something lots of times and it's expected. Ever been stopped or watch Cops? The FIRST thing ever asked is for ID. If you have a valid Driver's License, you're ok. If not, you should be carrying a State ID card or whatever is specified by Federal law to prove citizenship.

They don't target anybody. They perform their normal duties and add a valid check for US citizenship.

You have valid concerns that I think are based on human nature of authorities/cops. Yes humans are biased/racist and this may play a role in their duties. But that bias exists now and this law actually helps prevent it by spelling out clearly when someone can be checked. To me, the AZ law is an extension and clarification of the existing Federal law and gives the state authority to do what the Feds haven't..

 

when is it expected to show id? driving. boarding a plane. getting a bank account. getting a hotel room. really only one of these is relevant here.

so we'll see what the police do. will they ask passengers for id? will they ask loiterers outside a 7/11? will they ask people at a union rally? at a canteen?