New Arizona Immigration Enforcement Laws

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    If this were true, Swartzenegger could run for President. The friggin' Queen of England could run for President and Ahmadinejad could vote for her. Felons would have full rights to own guns, criminals of all classes could have no citizens rights violated.

    The Constitution recognizes many rights for resident non-citizens, but it also reserves many rights for US citizens (like the right to vote) and even for natural US citizens (like the right to be President). It clearly does not prevent criminals from having some of their human rights curtailed.

    To quote Wikipedia:

     
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  2. gumborue

    gumborue Throwin Ched

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    hell, even us citizens dont have all the constitutional rights.
     
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  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    What is your point? Both are crimes. You're saying that some crimes are excusable? Sorry, I don't agree in the case of entering the country illegally. We have a right to screen immigrants for communicable disease, felons, and people with no visible means of supporting themselves becoming a burden on our taxpayers instead of their own.

    You stop it by multiple means. Stop the crossings, stop the illegal hiring, and deport the ones that are here instead of giving them amnesty and full rights to exploit our system.

    Legal immigrants and tourists are not the problem. We're talking about illegal immigrants here.

    Iraqi terrorists caught along Mexico border

    Arab terrorists' crossing border:
    Middle Eastern illegals find easy entrance into U.S. from Mexico
     
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  4. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    i dont understand why.

    that truly seems terrible.

    i support the criminals.

    makde drugs legal and this wont happen. keep them illegal and it will never stop.

    yes we should make it legal so they would pay taxes.


    exactly

    yes. lots of crimes are very, very excusable.

    i do. illegal immigrants are not a negative thing for the country. all immigrants are good and they provide labor we need. we should make all of them legal immediately and welcome them with open arms.
     
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  5. gumborue

    gumborue Throwin Ched

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    yes many are excusable and it is backed up time and time again. like the BR father that shot his childs rapist and got 0 time in jail. or the my lai commander that got pardoned by nixon, etc. or judges that give suspended sentences.

    stopping the motivation is necessary and sufficient to stop the problem. the other methods may expedite it or look good to the public.

    45% of illegals have expired tourist visa.
    http://http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5485917

    ok, i was wrong.
     
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  6. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    You, of course or correct. But we are talking about two different things. The rights granted to "people", found in the Bill of Rights, are the ones Arizona is trampling on. The rights granted to citizens are different. I should have made that distinction.

    In any event you still haven't convinced me how a national id is going to protect my rights.
     
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  7. OkieTigerTK

    OkieTigerTK Tornado Alley

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    i have a problem with amnesty. nothing says tough on criminals like "here is your reward for breaking the law".

    i have a problem with those that hire illegals. make the fines stiff, and enforce em.

    i have a problem with non-citizens (ie, legal immigrants) that knowingly aid and harbor illegals. they are helping people break the law. if someone gets caught doing so, they are also breaking the law. deport their ass too.

    we need to quit making it pay for all parties that immigration laws.
     
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  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    It protects your legal identity as a citizen. Your citizenship protects your rights.
     
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  9. gumborue

    gumborue Throwin Ched

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    maybe obama will revoke the amnesty given to the 1.7 million illegals and their descendants by ronald reagan.
     
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  10. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    The bill of rights reserves rights for people not for citizens. There is ample court precendent dating back nearly 100 years to support this. The Constitution very plainly says citizen in instances like the right to vote and person or people in instances like the right to a trial or protection from an unlawful search.

    The 14th amendment makes this distinction very clear.

     
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