More Fun & Games From "The Religion of Peace"

many times i have specifically said the opposite. i almost always say that religion is stupid, and people are stupid for being religious, but i basically never say that all religious people are stupid. i get incredibly close to saying that, but if you pay attention to context and my exact words, you will see i almost never say that.

i sometimes make general statements like "americans are stupid" or "republicans are morons", which i mean in some contexts, but i dont mean literally.

i dont. if you pay attention i think it is apparent what i mean. and periodically i make a point to say how amazed i am that people who do not appear stupid at all are religious, and that confounds me.

in this thread i said the american christians are "just as stupid" as the muslims. that was poorly stated. i should have said "american christianity. but i rarely make that sort of mistake. certainly not "many many" times. although it is true, many american christians are as stupid as loony muslims, who would deny that?

red, you often say something like "iraqis are backward savages", but i know what you mean, and i would not tell an immigrant iraqi guy to avoid red55 because he thinks he is a savage.

i always try to mean these statements as generalizations that you cannot apply specifically.

 

It really doesn't make a difference what martin believes, in the grand scheme of world politics and peace, his opinion is insignificant and a minority.

Martin there is a Law unto God and there is a Law unto man. I won't even bother to tell you this is biblical. In other words, according to belief, it is possible for a murderer to be "saved" and still be executed. The physical man's punishment is not necessarilly the Soul's punishment. I won't go into any detail with you since it will be lost on you. What I am getting at here is that a commandment from God may or may not be the Law of the land. The law of the land deals with the physical man, while God's law pertains to an area you consider magic. The two can be different and the consequences of one may not be the same as the other.

The REAL issue is NOT who's religion is RIGHT, but what are we as a society willing to tolerate from a group of people that are INDENTIFIED by their religion. They could be Mormon or all wearing bones in their noses, it makes NO difference WHO or HOW they worship or what they believe in. The fact remains that from an outside perspective it would APPEAR that the whole group CONDONES the actions of this radical supposed minority, who happen to be of the same religion. Could it be they are sympatetic to their radical brethren? A murdering Muslim is still prefered to a Human rights respecting Infidel? This just isn't right regardless of who or what you worship or what you were told by God.

guilty by association. There are laws on our books that make you an accessory to a crime if you don't report it, and help bring to justice the perpetrators, if you have first hand knowledge of the event. I realize the whole world does not live by our laws, but the spirit of the law is a good one.

I think we should hold the Muslim world responsible when they embrace the deeds of their Radicals. Stop the Visa's, sorry no workie in the USA. Stop the exchange students, sorry educate thyself in the arab world. Keep exploring alternate fuels, Stop the technical support from American companies who help them with infrastructure.

The only people I've heard say that it is a "small group" of Muslims that are radical, is people who aren't Muslim, or western abiding Muslims. For all we know they consider them "Martyrs" and secretly exalt their dirty deeds.

I can see how one would get that idea.

 

That doesn't make it less correct.

 

No but it makes it "unlikey" that anyone will observe it or let it dicatate political protocol.

 

There is only one religion that muslims fear and that is the Jewish faith.

Do not think the Jews will allow the Arabs to have their way. They would rather blow up the world than see the Arabs control it.

The Jewish people are not limited by their people in dealing with the Muslims like we in America are.

They understand when you are at war with an enemy that will stop at nothing to kill you that you must be willing to do the same.

In America we like our nice clean wars where opposing people wear different uniforms and both sides conform to the Geneva Treaty. War doesnt work that way.

We get our troops killed because we let our enemy shoot at us from mosques and dont blow the mosque up because the people might get mad at us.

We have Cindy Sheehans and we glorify ignorant people in our News Media .

I am a Republican but i think Bush has mismanaged this war from the beginning. If you are going to fight you dont tell your guys to fight with one hand behind their back and let the other guys have their way.

I think this war was the right thing but screwed up by politicians in both parties. If Clinton had had any backbone then maybe the war wouldnt have been neccessary.

Now we have a hell of a mess on our hands and our only choice is to see it through.

 

Couldn't agree more:thumb:

 

As soon as an RPG or gunfire comes from a mosque, it should cease being regarded as a place of worship, and instead, be regarded as a fortification.
You know, the Alamo was a place of worship once, too.

 

yes, you are part of the problem. because your attitude is:

"I also think that if I want religious people to respect me and what I believe, I should respect their beliefs as well."

which is awful, you are creating a culture of irrationality and hobgoblins and magic. and that is dangerous. everyone is not right. it is spineless to respect everyone's beliefs regardless of what they believe. why should i respect beliefs that are clearly ridiculous? where should i draw the line on what i respect? or more accurately, how many people have to believe something before you respect them?

i suspect you do not respect astrologers, but respect catholics. and of course this is because you have more to lose by being honest with catholics, because lots of our friends are catholics. well, i say it is better to be honest and not pretend that someone's beliefs are worth respect if they are not.

it is because we are too tolerant that the dangerous existence of religion continues. i grew up not knowing a single person who was honest about their lack of faith, so i got the impression everyone had religion figured out. there was no more reason to question it than any more than there was to question newton's laws. then i realized it wasnt a given that everyone realized was true. too many people dont think critically about the nonsense of religion, because too many people are afraid to speak honestly about how crazy it is.

again, i mean tolerance in terms of speech and dialogue. of course i support everyone's right to be a moron. i just think we should be clear with our dialogue that religion is the same as any other bunch of misinformation and lies.

the long term goal should be to encourage reason, not ghosts. without reason, people can justify anything. and that is horribly dangerous.

 

The problem is not religion, but fanaticism. It is widely believed that religion has caused more wars than anything else, but more often than not it is politicians using religion to sway the masses.

To suggest the world would be safer and less violent with an atheist society is simply laughable. I’m sure the millions of Christians killed in Russia would agree with me, and I bet the Buddhists killed or jailed in China don’t think a society based on atheism would be such a great thing either.

The real problem is a lot of people are just dumb, and are afraid of things that are different than what they know.

As to tolerance and respect… I don’t think they go hand and hand. I tolerate the homosexual lifestyle, and even have some gay friends, but I don’t respect the choices. The same is true of religion. I don’t hate Muslims or Hindus or Seeks, but I certainly do not believe or respect their beliefs.