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Bandit88 Old Enough to Know Better

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stevescookin said: ↑

Bandit, I'm not taking offense at your language because I realize that you probably didn't intend for it to be offensive. I'm treating it like we're sitting next to each other on barstools having a few brews between friends..

I'll explain my logic and language.

Slavery is forced labor in which people are considered property and are deprived of the right to leave, to refuse work or to receive compensation for labor. (My great great grandmother was a slave in Haiti in the late 1880's - it still existed then, there.) In a very real sense, football players are forced to work for no compensation. My usage of the term slavery was a metaphorical use for a lesser form of forced labor. I've read posts in this forum that said CLM owns the players once they sign the LOI. The players even wear shirts that say "property of LSU football" admittedly the phrase refers to the shirt and not the person, but ask a player if the symbolism is off the wall and they'll probably tell you not at all. They produce the revenue and the NCAA has tons of regulations to assure that they get nothing even remotely considered a form of compensation. If you argue that they receive a college education in return, isn't that like saying the real slaves received food shelter and clothing in return for their work? And what do you think would happen if they refused to work; to go to practice, to get in a game, or even if they miss a team meeting? They also can't leave and play (work) somewhere else unless they're granted a release.

So 1) they are practically property, 2) they can't refuse work 3) they can't leave freely and 4) they can't receive compensation.

An indentured servant is under contract for a limited amount of time and work is exchanged for transportation, food, clothing, a place to live, etc. The main difference with slavery is the contractual nature of the work agreement and the limited time the contract is enforced. An indentured servant is a debt, bondage worker. Other than that the relationship has everything in common with slavery.

So my use of slavery is metaphorical, however my use of the term indentured servitute is just about really what it is.

I only referred to commandments to place it in moral perspective. You're right about it not being placed in better context. I was only trying to refer to something everyone has been exposed to. I'm not trying to endorse religion. It's just that the civil laws against stealing exist in America only because of the existance of natural, moral law. And metaphorical slavery is as immoral as real slavery. I'm not sure about indentured servitude.

I can see the benefits for me if a worker came to me and wanted to sign a contract to work for 4 years in exchange for room, board and my teaching him a trade. Heck, I'd probably make enough money to buy season tickets to LSU football games and start seeing the Tigers play again. Hmmmmm.....

As far as implying I'm full of $hit, if you had a few beers with me, you'd realize that you were a better judge of character than you previously thought before the second round. :lol:. By the way, that was a real invitation if you make it to Abita one day. Bring your "air Dardars"... the crock can only hold so much !!
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All of that to try to convince me that kids getting a free education, a chance to make future millions, the red carpet treatment in terms of facilities and academic support, and all the female attention they can possibly stand are "slaves"?

:lol:

But Lucy - it's jus so reedickyoulusssss......

Bandit88, Apr 5, 2009

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BAY0U BENGAL I'm a Chinese Bandit

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Bandit88 said: ↑

All of that to try to convince me that kids getting a free education, a chance to make future millions, the red carpet treatment in terms of facilities and academic support, and all the female attention they can possibly stand are "slaves"?

:lol:

But Lucy - it's jus so reedickyoulusssss......
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Slaves got royal treatment :lol:

BAY0U BENGAL, Apr 5, 2009

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Swerved It appears my hypocrisy knows no bounds.

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stevescookin said: ↑

The scholarship and the education have value to you and me. Not to deride the players, but most of them wouldn't be in college at all if it weren't for the sport. If the education and scholarship had real value, their study habbits would be a lot different... they'd be ..."scholars".
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You do of course realize that most college athletes do not even go professional in their sport once they're done. They go professional in the work force with the education that sport paid for. In my opinion, that's payment and it's quite fair.

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stevescookin said: ↑

The scholarship and the education have value to you and me. Not to deride the players, but most of them wouldn't be in college at all if it weren't for the sport. If the education and scholarship had real value, their study habbits would be a lot different... they'd be ..."scholars".
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This is true. I just think a little spending money would be fair, as well.

StaceyO, Apr 6, 2009

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Contained Chaos Don't we all?

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bamawhamma said: ↑

If Miles is smart he will never agree to him transferring to another SEC team.especially a western div. rival. Either way he will have to sit out a year unless he goes division 2.
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Sour grapes. I guarantee you wouldn't have said this had the choice been Miss St., S. Carolina, or any other SEC school besides Auburn.

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Contained Chaos said: ↑

Sour grapes. I guarantee you wouldn't have said this had the choice been Miss St., S. Carolina, or any other SEC school besides Auburn.
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Exactly.

I still think coaching is a large part of player progression

BAY0U BENGAL, Apr 6, 2009

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Looks like they are looking into other options as well to go along with Auburn.

Mizzou with Henson looks like they are 2nd on the list followed by Bama and Miss St.

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Forgot to post this last week.

Looks like Auburn is not willing to give Jones a 3 year scholly for only 2 years of play.

However, Mizzou is more than willing to do so.

Phelon is still on campus finishing out the semester.

bhelmLSU, Apr 21, 2009

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bhelmLSU said: ↑

Forgot to post this last week.

Looks like Auburn is not willing to give Jones a 3 year scholly for only 2 years of play.

However, Mizzou is more than willing to do so.

Phelon is still on campus finishing out the semester.
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Am I wrong for being glad he's not going to an SEC West rival?

StaceyO, Apr 21, 2009

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StaceyO said: ↑

Am I wrong for being glad he's not going to an SEC West rival?
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nope. i wish him luck and am glad that the transfer is on friendly terms and that he didnt burn any bridges. but id much rather see him at mizzou than auburn.

OkieTigerTK, Apr 21, 2009

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