i do. i like the melting pot. in fact, i think i live in the most ethnically diverse place in the world. i was just reading the wikipedia entry on my town: "an almost equal mix of non-Hispanic whites, non-Hispanic blacks, Asians, and Latinos. Of all US cities, it has one of the largest Arab and Muslim populations and proportions, one of the largest Asian proportions, and one of the largest proportions of various Latino and Hispanic ethnicities outside the southwest. It also has higher-than-average numbers of Jews, Italians, Cubans, Filipinos, Indians, and Irish than most cities in the nation." you would like it here because there are so many latinos and they are all christians. feliz navidad!
I mentioned in one of my earlier posts that the far left or atheist try to discredit Christianity any chance they get. Well, the people I was referring to did not disappoint, did they? First, we have the all too familiar “Christians need to practice what they preach”. Second, we have “sorcery” implying that Christianity is evil. Last, we have the “wack job”. So, let me get this straight, if you eat, sleep, and breathe Christianity you are a nutcase, and then if you do not eat, sleep, and breathe Christianity you are an “hour-a-week Christian that will cut you off on their way out of the church parking lot”. Myself, I do not read my bible every day and I do not go to church every week, I drink beer at the football game and I cuss quite a bit. Does this make me any less of a Christian? That’s for me to decide. So, let’s try not to discredit Christianity and get back to the original topic. I respect all religions and I am not offended by any of their displays, and I believe most Christians feel the same way. I just do not understand why some want to call a Christmas tree a holiday tree, when no other religion uses a tree. The only explanation I can come up with is that some people must be offended by Christianity. How can you be offended by Christianity?
yes, they did disappoint, nobody who commented is "far left", and a few of them are christians themselves. how can this be disputed? there are people who are hypocrites in everything. there are lots of jummy swaggart types out there. you are a poor reader. i wasnt implying that christian sorcery is evil, i was belittling it by comparing it to childish notions of wizardry and magic. right, you can say anything is true and right if you want. well you shouldnt, you should hate at least some of them (actually all of them, but yunno, baby steps), they are murderous. literally nothing is worse. and i use the term "literally" literally. another question is, why would anyone on either side care what it is called?
If they are not far left or atheist than what are they? Just curious. I’m not disputing the hypocrite thing, all people are hypocrites to some extent. My point was that you people use that to discredit Christians. I could use the hypocrite line to discredit any group of people. So saying that some Christians are hypocrites is a stupid argument because Christians are humans not super heros. You made my point for me! You are trying to discredit (belittle) Christianity again. Why don’t you make a valid statement and quit belittling. Yes I can!:thumb: I see you have a problem with religion. Now I have the answer to my question. You know, how can someone be offended by Christmas? You are offended by every religion, literally. Exactly, so call it what it is!!!! You have no point, except to belittle.:nope:
Well I am a fundamentalist Southern Baptist and I can tell you that not everyone who claims to be a Christian really is. Jesus even said himself that many that claimed to follow him (ie. be Christian) wouldn't really be so, Also, the Santa or Satan thing was something that I thought was funny, not to be taken seriously
Martin, you make some great points. My main question is this. How many people who do not celebrate christmas buy the trees? I'm not real educated on other religions, so I'm not sure what their customs are. If non-christian faiths also buy trees as part of their customs, the "holiday" trees would seem more appropriate. However, if only christians use trees as part of their holiday celbration, why change the name? These stores would seem to be saying "we'll embace your money, but not your names for these items" which makes little or no sense. If your personal beleifs are no-christian, then the tree will have the same effect on you regardless of what it is called, but if you are christian, and part of your holiday tradition is changed to make people of other faiths happy, I can see where some people would be upset by that.
honestly i have never heard until now that they advertise these trees as "holiday trees" or whatever. that seems silly, but what do i care. as far as i know there is no tradition for the trees in the other religions so you are right, i guess everyone buying them is christian. well stores only care about money, and since i bet hardly anyone besides salty is avoiding the tree based on the label they dont care about writing "christmas" on the tree price tag or whatever. there is a vocal minority for sure, but i think most people just take their gear home and display it, regardless of what it said on the package. for instance, i dont think most christians care if they open a package of "holiday lights" relative to a package of "christmas lights" when they are decorating. like i said earlier, i wouldnt care if mcdonalds sold a "nazi burger", i would eat it if it was tasty. i think most people feel the same way to a much lesser extent. if stores decided to just name things with super generic systems like if they called christmas trees "product #13455", as a christian would that be upsetting? the point i have been making all along is that nothing has changed in your house or with your faith. there is a secularization of some commercial things, but that is of no consequence.
That would depend almost solely on their reasoning. If all items wer called "product #....." fine. But when you change the name of something that's a part of one groups culture for the benfit of another culture, I think your crossing a line that doesn't need to be crossed. Example... look at this from a slightly different perspective. Christians do not make or buy dradles, how would people of Jewish faith feel, if these were called holiday tops so as not to offend christians? IMO these store should call these items what they are, and not sugarcoat them.
