Merril Lynch CEO wants 10 mill bonus

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    IMO, means in my opinion, amigo.

    I certainly know a couple of Louisiana companies that I've owned for over 30 years. I know the players, attend stockholder meetings, and keep up closely with company. My mother was once an executive at one of them, so I have some insider knowledge as well. I girl I knew very well in high school is now on the board of the other. She is just holding down furniture there and voting as she is told, in my opinion.

    On other stock, I've owned . . . I only know what the companies want the stockholders to know, like everybody else--plus whatever news my daily searches turn up on the companies and their sectors. But I pay close enough attention to know that I don't agree with executive compensation more than any other issue with most companies. Only those companies that have executive salaries and bonuses that are closely tied to objective performance figures are doing the proper thing, in my opinion.

    I won't reject a stock that overpays it's executives, if it makes me money, but I still feel like they are stealing from me and the Board is rubber stamping it for them. And when they foul up, tank the company, and lose everybody money, they still get those huge bonuses and golden parachutes. It makes me very cynical of the cozy relationship between executives and the Board, while the owners are spread out so thin that they have little collective voice. In my opinion.
     
  2. TigerBait3

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    The board's compensation committee voted no for the bonus yesterday.
     
  3. CajunlostinCali

    CajunlostinCali Booger Eatin Moron

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    Well that should be the axe in this thread, in my opinion.
     
  4. Bengal Buddy

    Bengal Buddy Founding Member

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    They have votes on some issues.
     
  5. Bengal Buddy

    Bengal Buddy Founding Member

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    To say most BOD do a poor job is quite a broad stroke to say the least. In order to back up that statement you would have to have a working knowledge of the effectiveness of the majority of BODs in the country, which you do not have.
     
  6. mctiger

    mctiger RIP, and thanks for the music Staff Member

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    As a newly-promoted manager, I couldn't agree more:hihi:
     
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  7. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Well, the reverse ia also true by that criteria. What working knowledge of the effectiveness of the majority of BODs in the country do you have to make the statement that they are all doing a great job?
     
  8. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    Executive comp is a critical business function. Attracting and retaining good managers is key for any company especially big ones. The cost of finding a CEO for a large public company can be millions of dollars.

    Their comp should be approved by people who understand the business and the scarcity of people capable of managing, not by the average stockholder.

    Do you think Season Ticket holders should have a vote on the coaches salary too?



    No it isn't at all. Since Sarbanes went into effect the internal controls of a publicly traded company have been subject to an intense review by the company's independent auditors. Part of that review is on corporate governance and company level controls such as board oversight of management activities.

    If there was a board not doing a sufficient job there would be a qualified opinion or an adverse opinion on the company's internal controls in the annual 10K. This step is a critical part of an audit, and no audit firm will gloss over this, especially after what happened to Arthur Anderson.

    I have personally spent hours reviewing board minutes to provide reasonable assurance that bonuses are not rubberstamped.

    The extreme lack of adverse and qualified opinions on internal controls is all the proof needed.
     
  9. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Stockholders are not a dumb as you imagine. This insider pay approval has led to US executives making substantially more than their counterparts in Japan and Europe. The U.S. stands first in the world with a ratio of 39:1 CEO's compensation to pay of manufacturing production workers. CEOs in the S&P 500, averaged $10.5 million annually, 344 times the pay of typical American workers. Levels of compensation have been rising dramatically over the past two decades and on a far steeper curve than rank-and-file pay and stockeholder profits. That is a problem for me.

    It has been documented that the return on investment from high executive pay packages is very poor compared to other outlays of corporate resources. The U.S. Congress is currently debating mandating shareholder approval of executive pay packages at publicly traded U.S. companies.

    GM's CEO made $9.3 million last year. Chryslers new executive got a $210 million severanc epackage from Home Depot to go there. Fords CEO got $27 million inclduing an $18 million signing bonus.

    Compare that to Toyota whose top 37 executives earned a combined $21 million. At Honda the top 21 earned a combined $11 million. do I need to pint out that the Japanese carmakers are kicking ass and the American ones need a bailout to stave off bankruptcy?

    Executive compensation in this country is way out of hand, both comparatively with other Western countries that are competitive with us and historically since they make far more of a percentage of the company profits than they did 20 or 40 years ago.
     
  10. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    Nowhere did I even hint that stockholders are dumb. I said they do not have an adequate knowledge base to determine compensation for executives. It is an area much better left to people who know what it takes to hire and retain top talent.

    If a stockholder is that concerned with executive comp at the companies they hold they should sell their stock.


    This all may be true, but it still does not mean stockholders are qualified to make management decisions. Your clamoring isn't not justified, it is just in the wrong place. There are better alternatives such as increased independence of BOD's and increased pay for performance measures in executive contracts.
     

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