Men's and Women's hoops media day yesterday..

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  1. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    No offense TE, but you're going to be on ignore from November through March.
     
  2. lsu99

    lsu99 whashappenin

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    Possibly for me also. There's some insightful stuff in his posts (at times) but you have to read all of the malarky to find it. The team was headed for a #4 or #5 seed before Lloreda's departure. Hudson was quiet most of the year but came on late. If Big Baby can live up to his billing and the freshmen (Tac, Neltner, Lazarre, Koundjia) improve just a little, I think the team finishes no worse than 2nd in the West and a #5 seed in the dance. That gets me excited about the season. There's nothing TE can say or do or whine or allege or ramble about that will take my excitement away.
     
  3. TigerEducated

    TigerEducated Founding Member

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    Sorry fellas, but if you stop to think that Lloreda's character was already questionable heading into last season, and then he helped make that notion of a bad apple crystal clear with his selling out of this team late, then you must realize that Brady kept him around SOLELY for the purpose of success.

    You can't tell me that Brady didn't know that Lloreda was a time-bomb from the time he got on campus. Just plain facts, men.

    He knew that it was inevitable that this guy would blow up. In reality, he didn't just blow up once or twice (like during the season in 2002), but he did it in the offseason again, and then again in crunch time. He built a house of cards on the back of a guy whose temperment was as stable as the changing winds...

    It was a huge mistake, and to say that the fault of the team's lack of success late was due to Lloreda is a mistake. It was Brady's mistake to bring him in.

    For someone who smokes cigarettes every day, even in this day and age, who later on gets lung cancer...or someone who dips, knowing the risks, and ends up getting a piece of their jaw removed due to cancer...Do you think it's the fault of the cigarettes or the tobacco, or after awhile, do you say that they had their own personal responsibility, and they knew the risks, and the fault lies with their own decisions?

    My biggest-and ongoing problem with-this program is the lack of personal accountability espoused by this guy. We shoot less in the seasons in which we sucked as compared to the Sweet 16 season! Thomas Davis lost us the Georgia Game! Going off on the media after a lackluster win that preceeds a two game losing streak. A fanbase that is happy with mediocrity when every other major athletic program on your campus is striving for excellence...

    I just don't get it...I want nothing more than success and accountability. It seems I am one of the very few-if not the only-who desires it. Am I wrong for it?
     
  4. TigerEducated

    TigerEducated Founding Member

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    BTW-SabanFan...The season might be over in a meaningful sense long before March, so you might want to remove me from ignore before that so we can talk some meaningful baseball and women's hoops...Two programs who actually mean something and have coaches who take blame and espouse personal accountability.
     
  5. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    If we're not still playing in March, I may join in the search for Brady's successor. My main problem with the detractors is that they (you?) do not want to factor in the degree of difficulty given the probation. Even after 3 or 4 years, you do not suddenly leap from rock bottom to contender. It's a process. I feel like the program has shown progress and should now be ready to take the step up to perennial playoff participant. Despite your hatred of Lloreda, he was a player and would have led us to the dance. When Brady recruited him, it was take what you can get. Lloreda was good enough for him to take a chance. It almost paid off. Brady can recruit. That's a fact. He's been here long enough now to have a playoff team. We shall see.

    Edit: One more thing. A lot of the Brady haters here (not you TE) don't hate Brady as much as they hate LSU losing. If Pitino was here and losing, they'd hate Pitino. If LSU goes, say, 24-3, you won't hear too much bashing because most of the haters won't hate him anymore. I suspect TE would hate Brady if we went 32-0.
     
  6. TigerEducated

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    You're right, I would...Because Brady cost LSU millions by leaving Lloreda on the team...I've intimated this before, and I won't go into detail, but there has never been a more accurate description than saying the punch that hit Wolfer was a "million dollar hit"...Do your homework or e-mail me if you'd like more G-2 on that one. Believe me, I'm not conjuring here.

    I dislike him because he's absolutely detestable. You wouldn't want him dating your daughter/sister/whatever. He's shown despicable morals. He's shown downright terrible decision making. He's shirked responsibility for all of the mistakes.

    ...and bottom line, he's gotten a pass on the fans for it all.

    What does he give them? More of the same consistent inconsistency. Mediocrity.

    How can you say that this guy took a team to the Sweet 16 under probation, but all the crap since then doesn't mean anything since they were on probation? Which is it? Probation and Sweet 16 was what he's really capable of, or all this crap since then isn't what he's capable of? JueMichael Young, Shawnson Johnson, Gipson, Lloreda, they were all decisions he made. He's brought the mediocrity upon himself, and upon us, without ever taking accountability for it, nor anyone in the media or fanbase, save for myself, that I'm aware of, making him be accountable for it.

    I keep hearing the refrain of "one more year" and I can't help but wonder if Saints-itis has crept its way into the prevalent mindset of LSU Basketball fans everywhere.

    This man has underachieved every year save one, and he's been responsible for every mistake that led to the dubious accomplishments.

    You talk about how it's not all his fault because of the probation. I got news for you, SabanFan...Syracuse started FIVE frosh and won a national title two years ago. Brady himself pondered in the pre-season last year about why that couldn't happen at LSU, and said that it'd be nice, and he thought we had the horses.

    So, if Brady feels it can be done, and Boeheim can "Git-R-Done", then why can't it be done? Why has Brady not gotten it done here? Nothing but his own decisions and excuses.

    Programs can be turned around in a year's time...Look at UAB...They beat Kentucky to go to the Sweet 16...and we beat the in the Regular season...Where were they the year before? Nowhere that I knew of...

    Look how long it's taken Louisville to come from nowhere. Look at the Orangemen in 2002...Granted he brought in the #3 pick in the draft, but Brady has shown he's capable of bringing in higher draft picks than that!

    Where does the rubber hit the road with you people...and why can't you see that he's already made enough mistakes in reality to seal his coffin?

    I do not know...and until I get the answers, I'll continue to ask the questions. Ignore me for it if you must, but these are not unfair questions, nor are they undeserved.

    BTW-I wish nothing more than the success of this program. You all know that I'm not a Basketball non-fan...I just dislike the thought of mediocrity being okay for LSU Basketball fans when all around them national rankings, post-season successes and conference and national championships are vied for...
     

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