Marcus Randall and Shyrone Carey....

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  1. ccgw

    ccgw luv'em Tigers

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    Hi, I am new here although I have been viewing this site for over several years, and Dandy Don's.

    I agree with TE. We should give MR a break and let him develope,and leave the QB decision to the better judgement of coach Saban. No doubt Matt Mauck is THE man, and I've been one of his biggest fans since he helped win the SEC game several years back. His heart and poise is impressive. I remember seeing MR having had games where he was able to lead the offense like MM, though sometimes not as consistent.

    I feel bad about Carey's injury. That gave me the similar feeling I had when Matt went down late in the Florida game last year, wondering whether they should have preserved the starters. Nonetheless, maybe I shouldn't be second guessing. The injury could have happened even at the first minutes of the game! Football is a rough sport. We should all pray for Carey's recovery, and for the TIGER's succesful season.
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  2. Jean Lafitte

    Jean Lafitte The Old Guard

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    This is a "Blue Ribbon" Post.


    This post belongs in the Archives, because it's one of the best articulated and thought-out posts that I've ever read.

    With just one post, this writer has given us all pause to reflect.

    This poster should have been a member of the Roman Senate. Great post. I humbly remove my hat and bow.
     
  3. Jetstorm

    Jetstorm Founding Member

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    Don't get me wrong TE. I agree with the jist of your argument, and nine times out of ten, the more experience you have the better you are.

    But that still doesn't explain how in the SEC Championship, a completely cold Matt Mauck, who had seen major playing time in only two games that year, came off the bench and led us to victory over Tennessee.

    No knock on Randall, but there is just something special about Mauck. I think he's definitely the guy to lead this team and the better quarterback of the two. He's quite a talent, even if he doesn't look spectacular while winning.
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I'm agreeing with both TE and FightinTIGER. Your positions are NOT mutually exclusive. For the record, I think:

    1. Mauck is our best QB, for many reasons including experience and judgement.

    2. Randall is not a bad quarterback, but still obviously has a lot to prove to a lot of people, but hasn't had much opportunity this year

    3. Last years late-season collapse was not Randall's fault, only his misfortune.

    4. TE should simply make his case, drop the name calling, and let each of us decide who is ignorant.
     
  5. ok awesome

    ok awesome geaux

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    Fact is that as far as talent goes, they are equal if not Randall having an edge. The difference is Matt has the brain to control that talent.
     
  6. Jean Lafitte

    Jean Lafitte The Old Guard

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    The two opposing points of view appear to be fairly close to agreement.

    Mauck is better than Randall right now. We all agree.

    Why is Mauck better right now? Some of us disagree. Some say it's because Mauck was always better. Some say it's because Mauck had a better opportunity to develop than did Randall.

    There's probably a little bit of truth in both views. Mauck's advantage over Randall is that he's older and more mature. Randall can't overcome that advantage!

    It is perfectly natural for Tiger fans to have doubts about Randall's ability to be the main QB right now. I'm sure that the coaches are working very hard to improve and further develop all of our QBs.

    To say that we all have the most confidence in Mauck is to state the obvious. Only time will tell whether Randall can be better than Mauck. The answer may not become apparent until after next year when both are trying for the pros.
     
  7. AtlantaTiger

    AtlantaTiger Freshman

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    Randall

    MR nor anyone is to blame for an injury. Having said that he clearly could have kept the ball and picked up good yardage. Last, MR should be moved to strong safety. There is no doubt that he is a good athlete. MR is strong, fast and probably could read and fly to the football. He is too good of an athlete to be on the bench.
     
  8. TigerEducated

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    Hey, red55...Remember when I said that anyone who disagreed was ignorant? There's the coup de gras right there...LOL!
     
  9. Jean Lafitte

    Jean Lafitte The Old Guard

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    I couldn't see the game, but it appears that MR is still making too many poor decisions in the game. Many are losing patience with him, because they think that he should be making fewer bad decisions.

    This is an acceptable and reasonable viewpoint. I just want to caution every Tiger fan to choose words carefully. We should not bash LSU Tiger football players nor tolerate those who do. Constructive criticism should be acceptable.

    I'm not the cock of the walk around here, and I don't want to be.

    I'm not the "conscience" of the message board here, and I don't want to be.

    Having said that, I think that we should all take a very intolerant view towards posts that bash or carelessly criticize LSU Tiger football players. Why? Because it is classless and harmful in the long run to LSU football.

    I'm not accusing anybody of having violated this proposed rule. I would like to propose this as a rule, and I'd like everybody to consider committing themselves to the idea.

    Finally, I'll go ahead and agree with those who think that MM is and was the better QB, even assuming that both QBs have the same amount of experience. Our season will be in serious trouble if MM gets hurt like last year. There are very few college programs that can overcome the loss of their starting QB, and LSU is not one of them.
     
  10. ChuckE

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    TE: You stated that Mauck had the worse passing day in LSU history against MSU last season, does that include Jamie Howard against Auburn and none other than Marcus Randall against Auburn just last season.

    Yes there were challenges last season that were not the fault of any one player or coach. IMO this team would not be 5-0 with MR as the starter. If Matt and Randall are so close in talent and experience, why didn't Randall see the field against UGA? Randall can throw the ball deeper than Matt and maybe run a little better, what he can't do consistently is hit an open receiver, and he can't lead this team to success.

    The only game last season that is unlikely that Matt would not have made a difference in was the Bama game. If Randall could complete a pass consistently to our players, he could have caused the defenses to back off the line and we would have had run support.

    Your comment - Russ, I'm with you...the votes of no confidence in Randall are pure poppycock, and if anything, it DOES show that people here clearly like LSU, but DISLIKE LSU football players.

    I don't dislike any player, I dislike Randall in the position of QB and especially if the outcome is on the line.
     

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