little news item on prisoner abuse in Iraq

If you haven't put on a freaking uniform in the name of this country, keep your bleeding heart 'war crimes' jaded view under wraps until you have an inkling as to what happens in war. Read some freaking history books on War and for God's sake, get a clue. If you 'know' war history then you are more guilty for not seeing these so-called atrocities for what it is. The only damn thing wrong with any of this is its on FILM. This is the most trivial examples of war that can be cited yet the AMERICAN public is outraged? Guess which part? The part that is clueless to what it is to serve and fight for your damn country....becoming your enemy to an extent. Having your friends mutilated, disemboweled and dragged through the streets after being captured.... hanged, sliced, shot in the back of the head. Yeah this is what has happened, is happening will happen. The fact that our military personnel are going to be made an example of over this is due to one freaking reason....the media and the upcoming election. I dont need to explain the motives since many have stated it correctly above. But you all who cry over this should really be crying for the PFC or Specialist stripped of what little rank he/she had, no pay for a yr or so and HARD FREAKING TIME in Ft. Leavenworth. For what? For embarrassing some Arabs who are killing their brothers daily in the name of Allah....serves as just their little reminder to kill or be killed.

You want these ppl to fight like savages in the trenches to sacrifice the life for your very freedom yet want them to kiss your baby on the forehead the next night after doing so. You can't have it both ways my friend. The fact is, you can't handle the truth (sorry ) and the truth is war is freaking hell and if 1/10000000th of the events which take place were on video on either side were shown, you couldnt sleep nor would you know wtf to think. Try to remember what side you are on before opening up your secured little 'American' piehole because you have no perspective and should not pretend to do so. And try to give respect to those people who are over there sacrificing their very lives for you regardless how you deem fit. Take your Geneva Convention BS and get a clue.

 

DAMMIT BOY AMEN ! :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

 

Turbo Tiger, you say that after the Brits, Frogs and Ities left civil war broke out. Just what the hell do you think is going to happen in Iraq after we leave? Or maybe we are going to stay there indefinitely fighting and dying to support a puppet gov't that will never be accepted by the Iraqi people. Oh yes, Georgie Boy is going to succeed where everybody else has failed. I forgot! He can walk on water!!!!

 

cmon mike dont get caught up in the impeach Bush or Bush is God crap that the 2 parties want us to think is important. What is important is we have American lives on the line here and need to take care of business. Until we join together for the same cause we are sending the wrong message across the world adding more fuel to the fire which handcuffs us even more. We are so shackled now we are left to nothing but 'policing' parts of Iraq til a pipe bomb goes off killing a dozen more soldiers then waiting for the next one. We don't have to agree on 'who' but we do need to agree on 'what' needs to be done.

 

You people seem to think I am defending these *******s. Just goes to show how little you know and how narrow-minded you are. I am not defending them at all and I think any punishment, no matter how severe, is not enough.

The point I am trying to make is that we are in Iraq to liberate them from tyranny and to bring democracy to them, Therefore, our soldiers, who are our representatives, must be held to a higher standard of behavior or we have done nothing but substitute one tyranny for another, IN THEIR EYES. Don't you get it? It doesn't matter a tinkers damn what WE think, only what THEY think! Did any of you see the movie "The Sand Pebbles"? In it Steve McQueen was in a room with a Chinese girl married to his friend who had died. The Communists came in, took the girl and killed her and blamed him. They turned the thing completely around and used it to make an international incident. If some of those prisoners were Al Qaida or involved in the killing of those four Americans, certainly deserving of punishment, and we took them out and executed them or tortured them without due process, then what sets us apart from Saddam? Ever hear of leading by example?

This is what Al-Jazeera and other news agencies in the ME are doing with this stuff. If we want to be successful (which I personally doubt we ever will be) in bringing ANY form of Democracy to this area, then our actions must of necessity be above reproach. And if anything like this happens, then ALL people responsible must be disciplined equally, which we all know will not happen. How are you going to feel when a few privates and corporals and maybe a Sgt. or two is dishonorably discharged, forced to spend a few years in prison and the officers in charge get promoted?


We are not going to fight on their level and they know it. Do any of you honestly believe that any of these cowards have any fear whatsoever of being caught? Of course not. They intimidate the civilian population into keeping quiet and protecting them and if they do get caught they know they will be looked upon as martyrs. I've said it before and been rebuked that the Middle East people as a whole hate America. It's hard enough trying to bring something to these people that they don't want without adding fuel such as these incidents and pictures to the fire.

WE are not going to fight a war on their terms which is one without mercy so if we are not, we have no business being there. Eventually after 58,000 young Americans came home in coffins, even the most ardent supporters of our efforts in VN saw the light and ended that fiasco. Hopefully it won't take that many this time.

 

I don't disagree with that Tirk, The point is we ARE NOT going to do it, because Bush is not going to do it. He is not willing to make all out war which is necessary and hence we are fighting a battle we cannot win. Can't people like you see that? We are making the same mistake the French did in the beginning of WWII. They had superiority of troops and tanks but committed them piecemeal and were subsequently overrun by the Germans. We ain't ever gonna win this thing as long as we fight with our hands tied behind our back. Georgie Boy should never have started this unless he was prepared to do whatever necessary, in and out of Iraq, to win it. And he isn't. He's still counting on the goodwill of the Iraqi people to welcome us as liberators and stuff like this keeps happening to further push them away.

If we are going to fight a war, let's fight it and be done with it as quickly as possible with a few lives lost on all sides as possible. Or don't start it at all.

 

mike, do you really think whatever and however we do anything will actually satisfy any UN country? We can't even pacify the liberal idiots of our own country. Thats the damn problem....NOTHING we do will be a positive. NOTHING short of letting them run our country and being an annex to Canada. Its time to realize this and do what is in our best interests.

 

I guess I missed that part where I wrote anything about any of that. I must have been asleep when I typed it.

 

also, what the media fails to report in their effort to make it seem as if all Iraqi people are up in arms over the US being there is the fact that all bordering, terrorist harboring countries (syria/iran/pakistan) have sent their organized guerrilla units to take advantage of the situation. Its no so-called iraqi insurgents causing all this mayhem...its these factions controlling the iraqi people once again while we guard a perimeter til the next bomb goes off.

 

you say it here mike....like what we do will change their minds if we lead by example. We always have led by example and are doing it now which is costing us more lives. You cannot lead by sheer force and by example. You either do in your best interests or you are doing in someone elses.