Liberal 9th Circuit Court Strengthens 2nd Amendement Rights

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    It's just not gonna happen. It's an scenario that would never work in America.
     
  2. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    I'm thinking it through. Controls will only restrict law abiding citizens. They would have no effect on scofflaws.
     
  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Not immediately, but in time it would cramp their style and crimp their supply. Meanwhile it really doesn't hurt law-abiding citizens, does it?
     
  4. mctiger

    mctiger RIP, and thanks for the music Staff Member

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    It's cliche, but everything you propose, no matter how reasonable it sounds, only has a negative effect on the law abiding gun owners. Sure, there will be some deterrence on the lawless, but we already have a certain level of gun control (not enough for the extreme left, too much for the extreme right), and yet we still have murders and other violent crimes carried out with guns every day. That's why I feel...as is the case with most lawlessness in our society....that the answer lies not in passing more laws, but in swifter and more severe punishment of the lawbreakers.

    Meanwhile....no. But the elements in our society that would take away our freedoms are patient. They don't go for everything they want all at once. We can't allow them a first step, because a second will surely follow.
     
  5. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Does your drivers license and car registration have a negative effect on you? I don't see how it does. One should have to earn the right to own weapons in America by being licensed. Something ain't right when Mexican crime syndicates can get military weaponry here easier than anywhere else in the hemisphere.

    Ahh. The Domino Theory. When has that ever worked out as feared.
     
  6. gumborue

    gumborue Throwin Ched

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    i do not want to give up my right to bear arms, but i believe that lives will be saved. all i have to do is let go of the largely unfounded fear of being ambushed.

    i think it is pretty callous to know that 10,000-100,000 americans die every year from this crap yet you are still unwilling to consider a handgun ban. thats a helluva lot of people-every year. the obstinance of the NRA aggravates me more than sean hannity does.

    and i never buy into the slippery slope arguments. when a bill to ban crosses the line, dont pass it.

    australia, for one, has done pretty well with its ban. they have a similar wild west history.
     
  7. mctiger

    mctiger RIP, and thanks for the music Staff Member

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    Apples and oranges. Driving and car ownership are not constitutionally guaranteed rights.

    Red, why is it that you want to make American citizens earn a right they're already guaranteed by the Constitution, and at the same time freely hand out Constitutional protections to foreigners suspected of trying to kill Americans on the battlefield? (you have said in this here forum that the Gitmo prisoners should be dealt with in the American court system, right?)

    Agreed, but instead of taking away the rights of American citizens, let's tighten border security and stop the military weaponry from leaving the country. Tighter border security is something we all agree is necessary already, right?


    Without researching.....probably never, unless someone wants to point out Nazi Germany or any other as an example of a society that let itself gradually be corrupted into an oppressive dictatorship, but I won't.:lol:

    Anyway, I see your point. My belief is, why allow your guaranteed freedom to be partially taken away? We both know that rights come with responsibilities. For those that don't take the responsibility to heart, well, we're supposed to ways of dealing with that without infringing on the law-abiding.
     
  8. saltyone

    saltyone So Mote It Be

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    I can't believe you just used Australia as an example. Criminals don't care about laws...any laws that restrict gun ownership only benefit criminals. The slippery slope example is very pertinent...just ask the Canadians.

    Red...there are only a small number of Americans that are able to legally own fully automatic weapons. 99.9% of the weapons listed on the previous ban were semi-automatic. If anything, we should make it easier for someone to own a fully auto weapon...the scumbags have them...why the hell can't I own one?
     
  9. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    i wouldnt mind having a 50 cal on my upstairs balcony facing the street.
     
  10. saltyone

    saltyone So Mote It Be

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    Sounds good to me. I wouldn't screw around your place. I'm willing to bet no one else would either.
     

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