Letter of Apology to my Grandkids

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Forgetting past failures dooms us to repeat them. Refusal to acknowledge failure at all is simple obstinacy.
     
  2. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    No it didn't. More than anything fair value accounting led to the recession. I am generally a proponent of FVA, but FAS 157 and a universal approach across all assets has heavily influenced this recession.



    This has to be a joke. We cut taxes and the government grew, and it would have been better to not cut taxes and have the government grow more, with an unknown impact to the private sector. Are you honestly suggesting the government with more og our money is better than a government with less of our money? That, sir, is the heart of socialism... public ownership of private assets.


    I am not guessing about what he will do in the future. I am worrying about what the clown just did. He cut taxes and increased spending, during a recession. If it was bad when Bush did it how is it better when Obama does it?
     
  3. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    Remember the past when it suits you.
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    You miss the point by a mile. Cutting income is not cutting government and receiving that income is not growing government. It is paying expenses as we go instead of borrowing money from China. Bush never cut spending to go along with those tax cuts, which was irresponsible.

    Bullchit. Taxes are required to pay the costs of government, if you don't understand this, then go back to school. It has always been this way. A government should collect just enough taxes to pay for itself. But if it undercollects and must borrow money instead, it grows a deficit (see Bush). If it overcollects and runs a surplus, then it can pay down national debt (see Clinton) and having done that, it can cut taxes to the proper balance point.

    Do you even realize that you are living in America? The government that you hate is US. Of The People, by The People and for The People, did you forget?

    Taxation has nothing at all to do with Socialism, that is just a right-wing scare tactic. This is about wise spending practices. You suggest that starving the government of enough tax income to pay for itself is a good thing, even if corresponding expenses are not cut. You favor borrowing from abroad?
     
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  5. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    Please enlighten us lesser minds as to how this differs from the boondoggle current ly on the table?
     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Scale and immediacy.

    The stimulus is a one-time injection of cash to avert a depression during a crisis. The Bush tax cuts was an ongoing policy to deprive the government of money forcing it to cut back. That failed because they just sold bonds and actually increased government spending instead of cutting government.

    The stimulus is an emergency measure to avoid a depression. The Bush tax cuts was implemented during a time of Clinton budget surpluses which had allowed us to pay down the national deficit. This reverted us to deficit spending.

    The stimulus' impact on the national debt is a fraction of what the Bush cuts were.

    • From 1776 to 2000 the nation produced a national deficit of $5.7 Trillion.
    • From 2000 to 2008 the nation added another $5 Trillion.
    • In 2009 we have added another $790 Billion.
     
  7. stevescookin

    stevescookin Certified Who Dat

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    What amazes me is how strong the average person on the street's opinions are on economic policy. I took a fair amount of economics at LSU and I have no idea what to think.

    America's leading economic professors that are the most advanced thinkers in the world are at odds with each other because Their expertise is inseparable from their political agendas. Yet the average guy on the street that has absolutely no credentials and would be hard pressed to spell macro economics properly much less be able to define GDP or money supply has formed very strong, absolute, opinions on something none of us can possibly begin to understand.

    I guess I know enough to realize how absolutely invalid my own opinion is!

    So... do you really think that the Chimpanzees in the other thread really have a genetic similarity of 95% with humans? If so are our opinions on economics only 5% better than theirs? ....food for thought :).


    Does anyone know when the first 2010 rivals recruiting rankings come out? It's slow here at tigerforums. Gonna get me a Turbodog and contemplate the universe.
     
  8. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    That is exactly what it is.

    I agree, Bush both cut taxes and grew government, and it was irresponsible.

    How is the government collecting too much money a good thing? It takes our dollars out of the economy. Paying down the debt is a great notion, but it is not necessary for a healthy economy. We should cut spending to pay down the debt, not overcollect taxes.

    The people are opposed to this bill that our President just signed. I never said I hated the government. I just want it out of my affairs, and out of my pocket book.

    How you surmise this is beyond me. Taxes are too high and government spending is too big.

    I am saying cut taxes and stop wasteful spending. And I am still perplexed... Why is Bush cutting taxes and raising spending bad and Obama doing it good?
     
  9. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    This "injection of cash" will increase the deficit to nearly 13 Trillion dollars when interest is included in. I still don't see where this is nothing more than massive government spending. There's a relatively minute amount of cash for infrastructure and public education, but the majority of it is political payback.
     
  10. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    You mean like Obama is doing by the way of FDR by creating a new larger government, spending money like it grows on trees?

    FDR made the great depression worse than it probably would've been if he had done less or maybe nothing.
    WWII brought us out of the great depression.
    Edit: Two wrongs don't make a right in my book.
    I can't wait to watch you defend Obama and the democrats til the end.
     

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