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KyleK Who, me? Staff Member

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I would like to see UT, TT, OU and OSU go west. It would be nice to see USC have to play some real teams.

KyleK, May 20, 2010

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I'd love to see a conference with Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Texas, and Notre Dame in it. Likely only one would be in contention come BCS game time to face the SEC champion. Welcome to our world, yankees.

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Texas really can't claim academics... Its in the Big12 right now... They have lower academic standards than the SEC (see Phil Loaholdt, Dez Bryant).

Another possibility for Texas that I've read is that maybe they go independent like Notre Dame.

locoguano, May 20, 2010

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Another possibility for Texas that I've read is that maybe they go independent like Notre Dame.
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bayareatiger, May 21, 2010

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Very interesting and worth the read. One thing the article doesn't mention as a plus if we are forced into expansion is that getting UT and A&M along with 2 of the 4 teams mentioned from the East would keep the current divisions intact.

Jimmy Hyams of WNML-AM 990 in Knoxville — citing a source close to CBS — has reported that SEC commissioner Mike Slive has already met with officials from that network regarding his league’s plan for expansion.

Those plans, as Slive has stated publicly, are contingent upon the Big Ten making a major move that would change the balance of power in college athletics.

According to Hyams, Slive told CBS executives in a recent meeting that the league’s goal would be to keep pace with a 16-team Big Ten by pursuing Texas, Texas A&M, Florida State and Clemson.

If Texas and Texas A&M cannot be lured in, then Miami and Georgia Tech will join Florida State and Clemson on the SEC’s wish list.
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Also check out the link at the bottom of the article. They have a link to the SEC officials denying information from this article.

Report: SEC Already Eyeing Six Teams For Possible Expansion MrSEC.com

bhelmLSU, May 21, 2010

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Texas and Texas A&M in the West Division would not be good for any of the teams in the West, especially LSU, who will face greater recruiting competition from A&M.

red55, May 24, 2010

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There's a whole lot of talk right now about the Pac 10 expanding by inviting six Big 12 teams. Wow.

LSUGradin99, Jun 3, 2010

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There's a whole lot of talk right now about the Pac 10 expanding by inviting six Big 12 teams. Wow.
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There was a story on Rival's about this Wednesday. Sounds like it's all about the TV deals and Fox is supporting it.

http://lsu.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1090740

...it appears the Pac-10, which has its meetings in San Francisco starting this weekend, is prepared to make a bold move and invite Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado to join its league, according to multiple sources close to the situation.
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The six teams from the Big 12 would be in an eight-team division with Arizona and Arizona State. The other eight-team division would consist of USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State.
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the Big 16 (or whatever they decide for the name) would start its own television network
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...projected TV revenues would double the current payouts of roughly $9 million to Big 12 and Pac-10 members. If the Big 16 reached its projections, the league would also surpass the SEC's projected payout of $17 million per school reached in a 15-year TV deal with ABC/ESPN and CBS signed in 2008.
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Fox Cable Networks (a division of News Corporation), which serves as the chief operating partner of the successful Big Ten Network, appears ready to make the Big 16 Network happen
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A&M TO THE SEC?

There does appear to be some resistance to an invitation from the Pac-10 from at least one of the six schools being targeted - Texas A&M. According to a source close to the situation, A&M officials have had serious conversations with the Southeastern Conference about the Aggies joining that league.
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There is also reason to believe Oklahoma could be enamored with joining the SEC. But that does not appear to be an option Texas officials would be willing to consider. There is a sense among UT officials the academics in the SEC are not on par with Texas.
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From collegefootballnews.com, the possible ramifications

Possible 2015 Realignment

What if the Pac 10 gets its way?

Pete Fiutak

Let’s just say the Pac 10 actually has the minerals to be able to steal all 5/6th of the Big 12 South, including Texas and Oklahoma, and can make itself into a superpower with a few strokes of the pen. Let’s also say that Tom Osborne is playing coy and Nebraska is gone to the Big Ten, as is Missouri and Rutgers. What’s the college football landscape going to be like when the dust settles?

I don’t believe that Texas will join the Pac 10; it doesn’t make sense. The Longhorns would likely go independent or join the Big Ten to gain a higher profile rather than line up with the Pacific Time Zone, but let’s say that they do make the jump. Here’s the best guess as to how the conferences will look by 2015 if the Pac 10 gets its way, along with what I think will actually end up happening.

ACC

The league loses a few of its top teams to the SEC, mostly because of geography, and it raids the Big East cupboard yet again while also bringing in some choice Conference USAers. In this case, what I think will happen matches up with what will probably end up happening.
Add: Cincinnati, East Carolina, Pitt, Louisville, UCF, South Florida, Syracuse, West Virginia
Lose: Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami
The 2015 ACC Will Probably Be … Atlantic: Boston College, Cincinnati, East Carolina, Maryland, Pitt, Louisville, Syracuse, West Virginia
Coastal: Duke, North Carolina, NC State, South Florida, UCF, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest

Big East

It disbands as a major football conference and concentrates on basketball.

Big Ten

It all depends on Texas. If the Longhorns go to the Pac 10, then the Big Ten ends up raiding the Big East for more than just Rutgers (probably Connecticut). The league has its three teams set up in Nebraska, Missouri, and Rutgers (no matter what the Big 12 guys are saying), and it’ll do a dance with Notre Dame before finally reeling in the big prize five years from now. Personally, I think Texas ends up in the Big Ten, but let’s say that doesn’t happen … for now.
Add: Connecticut, Missouri, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Rutgers
Lose: No one
The 2015 Big Ten Will Probably Be … East: Connecticut, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers
West: Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Wisconsin

Big 12

The league will try to stop the bleeding by picking up all the top Mountain West and Conference USA teams, and while it won’t be anywhere near as good a conference, it’ll still be competitively interesting.
Add: Boise State, BYU, Colorado State, Fresno State, Houston, Nevada, San Diego State, SMU, Southern Miss, TCU, UNLV, Utah
Lose: Colorado, Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech
The 2015 Big 12 Will Probably Be …
North: Boise State, Colorado State, Fresno State, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Nevada, UNLV
South: Baylor, BYU, Houston, San Diego State, SMU, Southern Miss, TCU, Utah

Pac 10
The league isn’t thinking small as it realizes that raiding the Mountain West won’t do anything for the TV dollars. Again, let’s assume the Big 12 South (sans Baylor) is making the move. I don’t think the Pac 10 is getting Texas, and it might make a push then for Kansas for the basketball program. USC would end up being on the other side of Texas division-wise.
Add: Colorado, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech
Drop: No one
The 2015 Pac 10 Will Probably Be …
North: California, Colorado, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, USC, Washington, Washington State
South: Arizona, Arizona State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, UCLA

SEC

The SEC will easily take over the programs that make geographic and regional sense, and all of a sudden, ESPN will have gotten a bargain for its billion-dollar TV deal. While the newly formed league wouldn’t have the reach of the Big Ten, it would take on a life unto its own and would be a cash cow for all the members and the networks.
Add: Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami
Lose: No one
The 2015 SEC Will Probably Be …
East: Clemson, Florida, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
West: Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Florida State, LSU, Miami, Mississippi, Mississippi State

Conference USA, Mountain West, WAC

Trying to piece something together, the three leagues form a new 16-team conference that could put together a nice, midrange TV package.
The 2015 Mish Mosh League Will Probably Be …
East: Air Force, Idaho, Louisiana Tech, Memphis, Rice, Tulane, Wyoming West: Hawaii, New Mexico, New Mexico State, San Jose State, Tulsa, Utah State, UTEP

MAC
The league stays the same but welcomes home Marshall while bringing aboard Army and Navy to create a 16-team league.
The 2015 MAC Will Probably Be …
East: Akron, Army, Buffalo, Marshall, Miami Univ., Navy, Ohio, Temple
West: Ball State, Bowling Green, Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Kent State, Northern Illinois, Toledo, Western Michigan

Sun Belt
The league adds UAB to form a natural geographic rivalry with several nearby programs.
The 2015 Sun Belt Will Probably Be …
Arkansas State, Florida Atlantic, FIU, Louisiana, Middle Tennessee, North Texas, Troy, UAB, ULM, Western Kentucky

CDUB_TEAMKATT, Jun 4, 2010

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Another ESPN link, if it hasn't been already posted:

Pac-10, Big 12, Big Ten conference expansion speculation swirls - ESPN

Expansion talk swirls for conferences

Will Texas Leave The Big 12?
Castiglione Addresses Rumors

Speculation continues to swirl around the future of the Pac-10 and Big 12 as both conferences hold meetings to discuss what's next in college sports' impending game of musical chairs.

Add to that a report Friday from the Columbus Dispatch that Ohio State president Gordon Gee has had an e-mail conversation about expansion with his counterpart at Texas, William Powers, and the Big Ten's future is also in the news.

The Big 12, meeting this week in Kansas City amid rumors of a breakup, seems to have come out intact -- for now.

Commissioner Don Beebe said Friday that he is "comfortable" the league will remain intact.

After four days of meetings, the future of the 14-year-old league seemed perhaps less secure than ever. Beebe and many of his colleagues hoped the spring meetings would end with a declaration of unbreakable solidarity. That didn't happen.

All Beebe could do Friday was say he's an optimistic fellow by nature and that a "process" had been put in place by Big 12 presidents to ensure the long-term viability of a conference that has greatly increased revenue for its members, but still not kept pace in television dollars with the other big boys.

The presidents are scheduled to meet again in October.

"I am comfortable," Beebe said as meetings wrapped up. "There's still a process we're going through but based on the conversations we had I think we're in a very good position."

He would not discuss how the process will keep the Big 12 intact.

"The process that has been set is firm. But I'm not going to engage in what that is," he said.

Out of the East is a threat from the Big Ten, perhaps interested in luring away Nebraska, Missouri and Texas. In the West, the Pac-10 may be eyeing Colorado and a group of Texas schools.

Nebraska and Missouri triggered talk of a Big 12 breakup by indicating they would be interested in talking to the expansion-minded Big Ten. Then on Thursday, a blog report went through these meetings like a lightning bolt with word that the Pac-10 planned to invite six Big 12 schools and create two eight-team divisions. Colorado athletic director Mike Bohn later said he thought the report was valid, and Beebe and Texas president Bill Powers decided to cancel their scheduled news conference.

The driving issue of all the expansion talk is money, and the possibility of schools greatly boosting revenue by adding to their inventory of television homes.

The drop-dead date may be October, the next time the Big 12 presidents meet. It could hardly be longer away than February, when they meet just before Beebe begins negotiations on a new cable deal with Fox.

As a sales pitch to keep the league together, Beebe spent the week explaining that he expected huge increases in rights fees from both Fox and ESPN. Unfortunately for those wanting to keep the Big 12 intact, its more lucrative contract with ESPN runs through the 2015-16 academic year.

The greatly staggered contract dates are not working in the Big 12's favor as it seeks to keep up with other leagues.

"We have had analysis and projections that look like we're going to be every bit as well compensated in the future," Beebe said.

Under their present television deals, Big 12 members received between $7 million and $10 million each last year, depending on how many appearances each school made. The Big Ten, enriched by its Big Ten cable network, distributed some $22 million to each member last season.

An expanded Pac-10 could launch its own TV network and command huge money. Texas, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado were said to be on the Pac-10's shopping list. If they take that deal and Nebraska and Missouri go to the Big Ten, Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas and Kansas State would be in danger of not belonging to a BCS league -- a crisis for those institutions.

Washington athletic director Scott Woodward said Thursday reports of a larger Pac-10 are "all speculation," but he did concede to the Seattle Times "there is an enormous amount of speculation about conference expansion right now and I think with the Pac-10 that anything is possible, all the way from remaining with the status quo, where we are today, to a full merger with the Big 12 and anything in between. All possibilities are viable and open for discussion."

The Pac-10 meets this weekend in San Francisco. Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott said the league continues to conduct an "exhaustive and proactive" evaluation of its future.

Friday, the Columbus Dispatch first reported the e-mail exchange between Gee and Powers, plus another between Gee and Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany.

"I did speak with Bill Powers at Texas, who would welcome a call to say they have a 'Tech' problem," Gee wrote in an e-mail sent to Delany and obtained by The Dispatch through a public-records request for documents and correspondence related to Big Ten expansion proposals. The Tech problem presumably involves Texas Tech, a school some feel would have to come with Texas and Texas A&M in any bid for those schools to join the Big Ten.

The day before writing about his conversation with Powers, Gee wrote Delany to say he was "of the mind that we control our destiny at the moment, but the window will soon close on us. Agility and swiftness of foot is our friend."

Delany said: "We are fast-tracking it but need to know the $ and observe contracts," according to the Dispatch.
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