Fair enough, I can understand that, but you should drop by once on a while. I appreciate your posts. Honestly, our E/O Offense reminds me of this line from a Crosby,Stills, Nash song, "Wooden Ships", in this case, the Rosy Finch: "Horror grips us as we watch you die, all we can do is echo your anguished cries, stare as all human feelings die.." Perhaps a bit extreme, but it's not a happy thing.