Rex, you keep saying that martin, and the rest of us, SHOULD fight in the war. However, I think your mixing up "should fight" and "should be willing to fight". As martin pointed out, the best suited for the position should be doing it. Whether I'm able-bodied or not does not infer I'm suited to be in Armed Forces. And since we registered to vote, we signed a release that we will be available should a draft be reinstated. Thus, we are willing to fight.
make up your mind, are we talking logic or ethics? those are some wildly different things. ethics are subjective. logic is the opposite. you do not use the term "should" in this context in logic. rex you simply do not understand logic. ethics has nothing to do with it, you are casting ethical value judgments based on what you believe, which like i said earlier, is like telling me which foods i "should" like. your statement makes no logical sense, as proven by my firefighter counterexample. you can say it over and over, we "should" fight the war if we favor it, but that is like me repeating to you that you favorite food "should" be crawfish. i can favor a war be fought by people other than myself the same way i can favor this website existing while not being run by me. even though for this website to exist, somebody has to run it, that job does not have to be done by me. when a task needs to be performed, it doesnt make a difference to me who does it, as long as it is done. like cparso says, when it is decided by my leaders that i am needed, and i am drafted, i will go without argument. in that sense i am willing to fight. i will not move to canada, even though i easily could. i take the fact that i have not been drafted yet as evidence that the job can be done without me. this continues to be an embarassingly simple concept to have to explain to an adult, and speaks to the capacity for people to brainwash themselves with nonsense, if only to catch their political opponents in some false hypocrisy. one last counterexample: new york city is always short on cops, they rarely meet their recruiting goals. you agree that new york needs cops, yet you have not moved here and become a cop, even though you are qualified. why are you still there when you are needed here?
It's not either logic or ethics, it's both. And you lost the argument on both counts. You lost it when you expected to pull off some coup with your absurdly ineffective fire protection analogy. You seem to be challenged by the words "must" and "should." I'll make it easier for you. Tell me under what conditions any other person SHOULD volunteer to fight in a must war when you should not, given that you're equally able-bodied and qualified? Then explain how a must war would ever get waged if NOBODY should volunteer, as is the ultimate reduction of your argument. Then explain why we should ever have to come to a draft position when there are so many of you who say we SHOULD be fighting this war? LOGICALLY you should volunteer because if a draft is instituted to fight this war it's because the armed services are having problems with recruitment levels, and the president in this critical period should not have to deal with that political fallout. If you're not needed, great for you.. you will have managed to escape something you obviously have no taste for. ETHICALLY you should volunteer because your support for the war is one of the reasons we're engaged there. Saying you're "willing to fight" if drafted is mere bluster. Sure, you're "willing to fight" once your back is against the wall.
people should volunteer whenever they want to. we are a country founded on freedom of the individual. unfortunately we lose that freedom when the draft happens, but thats life, we deal with it. my argument is personal choice. some people choose to fight. i dont. not complicated. because people have personal choice and are allowed to favor things they are not personally participating in. what do i care about political fallout? again you are using the word "should" in a statement you are calling logical. this is yet another occasion where you do not understand i can favor other peope doing something, without doing it myself. yes, i am willing to fight, that is correct. your argument would make perfect sense if i favored the draft for everyone but me. but we have a volunteer army.
