@red55 no, 14% were previously uninsured. In hard numbers, according to the article, of 3.3 million to sign up, fewer than 500,000 were previously uninsured, and that's who this thing is supposed to be taking care of. Meanwhile, CBS News reports that more than 2 million people have fallen victim to the great lie, and lost the health care they were told they could keep. So the ratio of screwed to helped is better than 4:1. I've seen articles that put the ratio as high as 13:1. Reality is probably somewhere in between.
On another note it seems conservatives have a plan they have announced. I know I know, obamacare is a conservative plan, but that's not the point, they have a new one.
Red, I love you, but you got to call it on this one. I am for national healthcare, but this "system" is a disaster. It is telling at the per cent of folks with business experience in the cabinet, they, the federal govt, just lacked the wherewithall. When I was in this biz, we started in 20 months ahead of the go live date and we only had to semi-automate a plan for 120,000. The model was a disaster from the start, the President lied, and yet, the worst of OBAMACARE aint even here yet. That is the billing and paying and actual enrollment, not sign up. Most of that code is STILL NOT EVEN WRITTEN, and that is the hard stuff. Blindly supporting ObamaCare, in the face of its disastrous implementation is beneath you, my friend.
Do not patronize me, amigo. I don't do much of anything blindly. Politically opposing ACA before it is even fully implemented makes no fucking sense to me. If it fails, it fails and we fix it. But opponents have been pronouncing it a failure from the day it was enacted. What are you afraid of. That it might actually work? Do you long for a return of the status quo?
Delayed by Barry till after elections. Not much faith in his own shit sandwich that him and the democrats slapped together.
Sorry typo. Only 14% of those who signed up were Uninsured. That means 86% of those who have signed up had some form of health insurance a big churn. Understand why you questioned the post. BTW this cite is from MSNBC's "All in with Chris Hayes".
I don't know. Given the paltry number of previously un insureds that have enrolled vs the disruption to the insurance of millions, not to mention increased premiums and less flexibility, I am not sure the "status quo" was not the lesser bad.
And I use the term enrolled in the broadest context. Huge gulf between those that signed up and those enrolled, due to massive issues on the payment side.
I would say the continuing problems, screw ups (the web site), lower than expected or needed sign up for insurance and delays, as well as doctors dropping out of medicare, and others show a pattern that you can reasonably predict failure. Political opposition that points these things out is sensible. You are correct there is also an obligation to propose the better path whether it is "fixing" it or tossing it out and starting over is also a valid path of discussion. This law is a pig and even if you put lipstick on it, it's still a pig.
Why is politically supporting or politically opposing before implementation different? They either both make no fucking sense or they do? Not just your side is right. Again, no serious person ever said lets keep the status quo. That's something made up that you keep repeating out of habit. Last time we had this discussion I was saying to put the whole law into effect and get it over with. This piece meal delay shit is stupid; it adds to the time before we can see what we have to fix. Plus, they're giving their enemy the sword to cut the law to pieces later. What am i afraid of; I'm afraid the same people that didn't have the competence to do this right, and and didn't have the political balls to stick to their beliefs and finish it; now say they can do anything they want with a pen. I'm afraid of what those dumb shits are doing to our health system. Because they have no plan; their just making it up as they go along. Right now, everyone is blind on ACA. We won't know what's really happening until next year some time.
