Orgeron probably would have been a more exciting hire than Steele. Not as HC though, where your argument collapses (comparing apples to oranges).

For the record, "our" interest in TCU started when a guy that was offered exactly 2 scholarships showed up and they won a bunch of ball games......I'm sure you can figure out who that is. As for Pat Sullivan, I met him, liked him very much, when I showed a picture of my then fairly young son in a football uniform, he said he will look real good in purple one day, I replied I know, LSU purple, little did I know he knew what he was talking about. BTW, I have lost count, how many COY of the year awards has GP won this year????

You guys are more amusing throwing insults rather than accolades, and you throw more insults when we lose, so...this hire will make the board more amusing in all likelihood, but I don't know much, but I know I am pretty underwhelmed.

It is kind of like the Mississippi game of a few years ago, while the game was ending, we just stood around, then got all excited. The handwriting was on the wall on Chavis, and again, we just seemed to have stood around. At least I kind of hope so. If we were really out in front of this thing, and this is the the best we can do, to quote my 8th graders, "OMG!"

The bottom line is that whether Steele is good or bad, he will not help our QB situation an iota, and that is where the real trouble is in river city.

Aside: The only other person I ever knew named Steele tried to make a business of selling open source (from the public domain) information to the CIA. He went broke. Fast.

So there's two people...

Who on Twitter is saying he was a premium recruiter for the Gulf Shores area?

Here's one thing that a lot of you guys got right. When people have talked about the difficulty of working under Saban with his demands on time from his assistants Steele is one of those who didn't mesh well his first time around. That came into play to a large degree when he left Tuscaloosa for the defensive coordinator job at Clemson.

If you recall, he didn't coach in 2012 but considered a position off the field with Miles. In 2013, when he came back to Tuscaloosa, his position as Dir. of Player Personnel dealt primarily with evaluations; summer camps and film study. Yes, that's playing a part in the recruiting class of 2014. It's one part of what is normally a four step process before a player is getting offered—two of which are getting the nod from Burton Burns and Lane Kiffin (in the case of this February's class.)

As I see this, in terms of recruiting, it's not a "step down" going from Chavis to Steele. Both aren't guys who love that aspect of the game.

well at least Saban may have taught him how to be angry

Lesticles quote:
"This is a great hire for us," Miles said. "Kevin has had a very successful coaching career, one that has seen him coach alongside some of the top coaches in the game.


Here is Steele's record as the head coach at Baylor.
1999: 1-10 overall, 0-8 in the Big 12
2000: 2-9, 0-8 in the Big 12
2001: 3-8, 0-8 in the Big 12
2002: 3-9, 1-7 in the Big 12

And also worth mentioning Brick Haley was his D coordinator from 99-01 so I don't think that would have been any better

I see an awful lot of people pointing to the Orange Bowl against WVU as the definitive statement on his ability as a DC while I'm more inclined to look at that season, and that loss, falling on Dabo. Those around Clemson were very pleased when the Tigers were sitting at 8-0, 9-1, and 10-2. Those losses came at the later part of the 2011 season—a season where their offense was averaging 40+ points per game until they were held to under 20 by three different teams (finished regular season 10-3 including the W in the ACCCG.)

It's my opinion Dabo lost control of that Tiger team in 2011; specifically, allowing their rankings to "go to their heads." (They were ranked as high as #5 in the BCS standings going into week 10 as I recall...a win over a top 25 Auburn team coming off of their 2010 title and a couple of wins over top 15 teams in Va Tech and FSU.)

Here's another case that isn't telling the whole story. Point to his record if you like, but to be fair it should also be mentioned this was when Baylor moved from the SWC to the Big 12. The year before Steele was hired at Baylor they had one conference win—against a Kansas team who had one conference win. In '97 Baylor had one conference win—against a 4-7 Texas team.

@lsu-i-like Here's how I view Steele in terms of coaching. When he's got players who can take what they see on film, and what they are taught in the film room, and translate it to the field he's a good DC. When he's not dealing with players who have that football acumen and he's forced to teach them on the field, then there's an issue.

If he has good assistants working under him who can demonstrate technique that can be overcome. However, if he's in a position where he's teaching, by demonstrating, that technique? Players in Tuscaloosa have referred to him as a "clumsy teaching coach."

Which in the end falls back to the "Jimmy's and Joe's" and how well they understand the "X's and O's" when they arrive on campus.

Terry P........to be fair should it also fall back to the "LaQaundarius' and Triceptarius'" to understand the "X's and O's"????

After all that, I still can't get behind the hire.

That's a shock