Cliff's Notes: Democrat: Republicans suck and Karl Rove is a spy Republican: Democrats suck and its not true Democrat: Something negative about Bush and iraq Republican: Spread Democracy, Democrats are communist Democrat: Bush Lied, wants Oil Republican: You ran Kerry for President, idiots Democrat: You cheated and bought the elections Republican: F U Demcrat: FU
I think this attitude is part of the problem these days. This whole Republican versus Democrat debate has always existed, but the level of pure hatred these days has reached a level I've never seen in my lifetime. The Republicans have developed such an arrogant attitude. They think they can do no wrong, they are smarter than everyone else, and they are god-like. The Democrats remind me of the little weak kid in grade school that got his milk money stolen from him daily. All he could do was run home to his mommy and whine and cry about it. He had no answers to stopping it. Regardless which side of the fence you are on, this divisiveness is not helping us. While we are fighting amongst ourselves, the bad guys are out there trying to figure out how to kill all of us ... republicans and democrats. Not singling you out SDM ... just seemed to be an appropriate post for me to vent!
GOSPEL!!!:thumb: My only hope is that the self-perpetuating, ferocious divide that currently exists will eventually disgust enough people to realize what is happening, or perhaps even break away from the 2-party system. But at the moment, too many people are entirely too consumed in the 'us vs them' mentality to do anything so logical. It is an insult to all Americans, and aids our enemy way more than the right and left could ever accuse the other side of.
Least my wild ass guess wasn't something for which there is plain evidence for. Rove did not give up the agents name as you stated earlier.
Well, here's an excerpt from a Fox News Article where Rove's attorney confirms that Rove spoke to Cooper and that he referred to Wlison's wife. Rove is on the hot seat after his lawyer, Robert Luskin, confirmed over the weekend that in July 2003 Rove spoke to Time magazine's Matt Cooper (search) about a trip former Ambassador Joe Wilson (search) took to the African nation of Niger. During his visit, Wilson investigated claims that Iraq was trying to buy yellowcake uranium, used for making nuclear weapons, from Niger. Wilson returned without such evidence, and subsequently wrote an op-ed in The New York Times criticizing the administration for manipulating intelligence to justify an invasion of Iraq. Wilson claimed that his trip was authorized by Vice President Dick Cheney and then-CIA Director George Tenet. According to Luskin, Rove told Cooper that Cheney and Tenet were not involved in planning Wilson's trip but that Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame (search), "apparently works" at the CIA and had authorized her husband's trip to Africa, according to a July 11, 2003, e-mail by Cooper obtained by Newsweek magazine. The e-mail is now in the hands of federal prosecutors who are hunting down the leakers who revealed Plame's name to the news media. Rove's lawyer insists Rove did not know or disclose Plame's name at the time that she worked undercover. Such a disclosure is illegal. "A fair-minded reading of Cooper's e-mail is that Rove was trying to discourage Time magazine from circulating false allegations about Cheney, not trying to encourage them by saying anything about Wilson or his wife." Luskin said. Rove didn't specifically mention her name, but unless Wilson has more than one wife working at the CIA, it wouldn't be all that difficult for a reporter to figure it out. And if Rove knew Wilson's wife worked at the CIA, you know damn well he knew her name and what she did for the CIA. Guess we'll see when all the facts come out...
You know, I pretty much agree with you but I don't think the Republicans are as arrogant as people make them out to be. I understand why some opponents would think W is arrogant, they think he should admit that he just plain screwed up in Iraq but I would argue that it often takes years to find out the whole truth about Iraq. History will judge W in the long run, not the Democrats of today. If he admitted he was wrong about anything the Democrats would impeach him. I also think the Democrats are very arrogant at times, The Kennedys, Dick Durbin, etc. I don't ever remember a time of war, war on terror, Iraq, in other words you can't argue about the war on terror like you could Iraq, when the country didn't unite other than Vietnam.
Well, when Rove mentions the ambassador and reveals that his wife is a covert CIA operative, the dumbest grand jury in the world would draw the correct conclusion. Saying he never mentioned her name gives him deniability in that he has publicly stated that he "never gave the name of a CIA agent to anybody". But it doesn't prevent anybody from recognizing that he did, in fact, reveal the identity of the agent. Nice try.
We've lost the art of debating in this country. Debating and disagreeing is healthy. What a boring world it would be if we all thought alike. Unfortunately, intelligent debates have been replaced with name-calling and mudslinging. When all else fails, call someone an idiot. :thumb: I see more intelligent debating here than I do in Washington or in the media. Not sure if that's a compliment to the posters here or an insult to the politicians and journalists ... maybe both! :hihi:
Wilson goes to Niger, comes back and lies about what he found there with no links to Iraq and uranium. Rove and Bush knows that's not true. During the hearings Wilson goes off and says Dick Cheney chose him to go to Niger....also untrue. Rove then says his wife at the CIA recommended him for the job. That's it. It turns out she was a CIA agent......he never said her name or that she was an agent. That's it dudes. He said she was the one who recommended her husband for the job in Niger.....not Cheney. From other sources Novak and these two other dupes got her name, published it and now there's an investigation.
It is a fact, not a lie, that there were no ties between Iraq and uranium. It is a fact that Wilson broke no laws and committed no crime. It is a federal crime to reveal an undercover agent. Plame was not an overt CIA employee. She was using her cover as the wife of a US diplomat to gather intelligence. Telling anybody that she worked for the CIA is a federal crime. Period. Well, I guess the grand jury can just go home now? I think us dudes are going to watch this one play itself out. Name or no name, regarding an unrelated matter or not--If Rove's comments exposed her as a CIA operative, he's going to jail.
