You know, I try to be very discerning about the advice I heed from individuals who confide in the belief that minority opinions are necessarily wrong. But I must admit that it is flattering that about once a month you try to reach me and mold me in your own likeness. My suggestion would be to find some other way to deal with your discontent, though.
Are you serious? Conduct traffic? If you must know, my job primarily consists of traffic signal and intersection design, traffic impact studies, roadway analysis, forecasting future demand, and corridor/arterial computer simulation & modeling. Today is a slow day with my boss being in Houma. So I've not much to do in between various rounds of the pissing contest.
So instead of taking some initiative while the boss is away, you decided, to hell with these traffic jams, it's time for "Internet Fisticuffs"! :grin: :thumb:
Good point. He did lie about the BJ. I'll rephrase. Anyone, including Clinton, who is convicted of a crime deserves to be punished for it. If Rove did the deed, he pays the proper price. And it doesn't matter what anybody else did, or said, or thought.
In CC's defense, I'm in the engineering business, so I understand what he's saying. In this business, you go thru lulls in work waiting on other people and processes. It's the nature of the beast.
I guess we'll see, then. The more that comes out, though, it looks less and less like that happened. Source: Rove says reporters told him of Plame Bush aide reportedly testifies that he learned agent’s name from press MSNBC News Services Updated: 9:07 a.m. ET July 15, 2005 WASHINGTON - Presidential confidant Karl Rove testified to a grand jury that he learned the identity of a CIA operative originally from journalists, then informally discussed the information with a Time magazine reporter days before the story broke, according to a person briefed on the testimony. The person, who works in the legal profession and spoke only on condition of anonymity because of the secrecy of grand jury proceedings, told The Associated Press that Rove testified last year that he remembers specifically being told by columnist Robert Novak that Valerie Plame, the wife of a harsh Iraq war critic, worked for the CIA. Rove testified that Novak originally called him the Tuesday before Plame’s identity was revealed in July 2003 to discuss another story. The conversation eventually turned to former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, who was strongly criticizing the Bush administration’s Iraq war policy and the intelligence it used to justify the war, the source said. Column touched off firestorm The person said Rove testified that Novak told him he had learned and planned to report in a weekend column that Wilson’s wife, Plame, had worked for the CIA, and the circumstances on how her husband traveled to Africa to check bogus claims of alleged nuclear material sales to Iraq. Novak’s column, citing two Bush administration officials, appeared six days later, touching off a political firestorm and leading to a federal criminal investigation into who leaked Plame’s undercover identity. That probe has ensnared presidential aides and reporters in a two-year legal battle. Rove told the grand jury that by the time Novak had called him, he believes he had similar information about Wilson’s wife from another reporter but had no recollection of which reporter had told him about it first, the source said. Possibly most importantly, Red: Attorney: Rove isn't target of probe Robert Luskin, Rove’s attorney, said Thursday his client truthfully testified to the grand jury and expected to be exonerated. “Karl provided all pertinent information to prosecutors a long time ago,” Luskin said. “And prosecutors confirmed when he testified most recently in October 2004 that he is not a target of the investigation.” http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8577190/ I guess you guys can keep on hoping. :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:
Sure you can believe the moon is made of green cheese, if you think you see the smoke. I beleive that robots are stealing my luggage. :hihi: My point is that the Republicans tried for eight years to undo the results of two elections by pursuing an investigation that ultimately led to no conviction and later derailed itself to go after Clinton for cheating on his wife in the White House. Neither was ever a National Security issue, nor was OJ or Whacko Jacko. Rove's leak did impact National Security. Even though Clinton was not found guilty in Whitewater, he is guilty in your mind, just like OJ and MJ. Rove may beat this rap too. There is no independent prosecutor this time. The grand jury is being run by the Bush-appointed Justice Department. But Rove will still be guilty in everyone's mind and a liability to the President, costing him the trust and confidence of the citizenry. By George, I'm starting to believe it would be great if Bush keeps Rove around for the duration! A millstone around his neck. Yeah, that's the ticket! :grin:
No, what Bill Clinton did was a blow to the American justice system itself. When the chief law enforcement official in this country can commit perjury, how valid does that render our system of justice? What sort of precedent does that set? As far as derailing the investigation, what you and most people don't understand (or choose not to) is that Starr was attempting to build his case by establishing a pattern of dishonesty in this man. Prosecutors do it all the time. It goes to credibility...if the man will lie about small matters, what makes you think he won't lie about larger ones? I'm not saying that I necessarily agree with this strategy, but right or wrong, it's the path Starr chose to take. Unfortunately, it may have actually worked to Clinton's advantage, because while everybody else was looking the other way at his sexual shenanigans, and subsequent perjury on THAT matter, he had ample time and opportunity to further cover up any possible wrongdoings in the real subject of the investigation, i.e., Whitewater. Like I said, Red, too many people around Bill and Hill went to prison for me to believe that they were as pure as the driven snow, re: Whitewater. I won't even go into the mysterious reappearance of those Rose Law Firm invoices in a White House office, two years after they were subpoenaed. However, if you want to keep viewing them as poor little innocent victims of the mean ol' Republicans, just because you agree w/ their politics, far be it from me to stop you. Maybe you should take a bite of that cheesy moon.
