I don't know what I am anymore........There's this belief from somewhere that Republicans have to move to the center or be a moderate to win........that's totally untrue. If you believe in something there is no moving to the middle on crap. Stand up, win or lose......but that's just it. They fear losing that cushy job more than anything.

What a coincidence that Clinton overrode his secretary of states recomendation and let his former CAMPAIGN manager(who accepted contributions from the chinese) Ron Brown, continue to allow missile tecnology exported to China.

How bout you show my quotes on Monica's blowjob abilities!! Or where I have ever mentioned her name or any of those Clinton scandles. "How bout you do that now"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you can't see the difference in the amount of harm done to this country by the release of this technology to a communist country, as opposed to the harm caused by Rove if he intentionally outed a CIA agent, then I will never be able to explain it to you.

My whole point is, the amount of coverage dedicated to the Rove case, pales in comparison to the Chinese scandal. It's as though the Democrats and the press could not have cared less.
I would much rather have had all those millions spent investigating a blow job, been spent on this matter.

And yes, Republicans will eat their own when it is deserved.... Nixon, Newt, Livingston, and the Senator from miss. who's name escapes me at this time.

Care to show a lists of democrats that have resigned or had their fellow democrats ask for their resignations or to step down.


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[font=arial, helvetica] General Shen Rongjun[/font]
[font=arial, helvetica]Chinese General Shen Rongjun led the penetration of U.S. missile and space technology during the Clinton administration. The 2002 State Department letter makes it clear that they believe Gen. Shen led the successful penetration of the Clinton administration and Hughes.[/font]

[font=arial, helvetica]In 1994, Gen. Shen was second in command of a Chinese army unit known as COSTIND, or the Commission On Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense. Shen, and his COSTIND operatives in front companies, secured a wide range of advanced missile and space technology from Hughes after a 1994 meeting with Commerce Secretary Ron Brown.[/font]

[font=arial, helvetica]Commerce documents obtained using the Freedom of Information Act show that Brown met with Gen. Shen in 1994 during a trade trip to Beijing. President Clinton personally authorized the meeting between the Chinese general and Brown.[/font]

[font=arial, helvetica]Before moving to Commerce, Brown headed the Democratic National Committee. The Federal Election Commission fined the DNC in 2002 for "knowingly and willingly" accepting donations from Chinese army sources.[/font]

[font=arial, helvetica]Gen. Shen did obtain help from the White House by pressuring Hughes with satellite contracts. Hughes CEO Michael Armstrong wrote President Clinton in 1993 threatening to pull support for Clinton if he did not allow the space technology transfers to China. In 1994, Clinton approved a waiver for Hughes to transfer advanced satellite encryption systems to China.[/font]

[font=arial, helvetica]According to a Sept. 20, 1995, memorandum, Hughes regarded Gen. Shen Rongjun as "the most important Chinese space official."[/font]

[font=arial, helvetica]The Chinese army penetration of Hughes was so successful that Gen. Shen managed to get his son, Shen Jun, a job at Hughes as the lead software engineer for all Chinese satellites. According to Hughes, Shen Jun had access to "proprietary" satellite source code.[/font]

[font=arial, helvetica]"On July 9, 1996, Respondents submitted a munitions export license application to ODTC seeking authorization for one of its employees, Shen Jun, described as a dual Canadian Chinese national, in order to provide Chinese-English language translation and interpretation support for the preliminary design phase of the APMT satellite project," states the 2002 charge letter.[/font]

[font=arial, helvetica]"In no place in that submission nor otherwise did HUGHES SPACE AND COMMUNICATIONS COMPANY inform ODTC that this individual was, in fact, the son of PLA General and COSTIND Deputy Director Shen Rongjun, which fact was material to the U.S. Government's consideration of whether the license application should be approved or denied."[/font]

[font=arial, helvetica]"The record indicates that Shen Jun's role for Respondents went well beyond that of an interpreter/translator and more closely resembled that of an intermediary with his father, General Shen, and other PRC space authorities, in order to cultivate their support in various matters of interest to Hughes, including the handling of the APSTAR II launch failure investigation and the APMT contract," noted the State Department 2002 charge letter.[/font]

[font=arial, helvetica]According to the State Department, Hughes contends that it followed the law with regard to hiring Gen. Shen's son.[/font]

[font=arial, helvetica]"Respondents have maintained as of December 3, 2002, that this information was not material and that its omission was proper because there is no place in the munitions license application for them to disclose father-son relationships between General officers at the People's Liberation Army who are overseeing a project they are working on and their foreign national employees working in U.S. facilities on the same project."[/font]

[font=arial, helvetica]Clinton Overrules Secretary of State[/font]

[font=arial, helvetica]The alleged improper export by Hughes of satellite technology was cited as a key reason when Clinton's secretary of state, Warren Christopher, rejected a plan to give the Commerce Department full authority to control satellite exports.[/font]

[font=arial, helvetica]According to a Sept. 22, 1995, memorandum, Christopher rejected plans to give Commerce the authority to approve satellite exports after an interagency study noted that "significant" military and intelligence capabilities could be lost.[/font]

[font=arial, helvetica]The memorandum stated the Pentagon and U.S. intelligence agencies strongly opposed the policy change because Hughes exported two satellites with sensitive cryptographic technology without first getting a State Department munitions license. Cryptographic technology is used to scramble communications sent to satellites to prevent unauthorized access.[/font]

[font=arial, helvetica]President Clinton, who transferred the power to regulate sensitive satellites to Commerce, under Commerce Secretary Ron Brown, ultimately overruled Christopher.[/font]

[font=arial, helvetica]Clinton's transfer allowed the Chinese army to acquire advanced U.S. technology for military purposes. Hughes satellites currently provide the Chinese army with secure communications that are invulnerable to earth combat and highly accurate all-weather navigation for strike bombers and missiles.[/font]

[font=arial, helvetica]Hughes satellites purchased by Shen also provide direct TV and cable TV broadcasts to most of Asia. Thus, cable and pay-per-view services help pay for the Chinese army satellite communications. The brilliant planning and logistics mean that Chinese military communications pay for themselves.[/font]

[font=arial, helvetica]Clinton Legacy – A New Arms Race[/font]

[font=arial, helvetica]The satellite and missile technology obtained from Hughes by the Chinese army is critical for the design and manufacture of missile nose cones and electronic missile control systems. The technology clearly helped the Chinese army field a new generation of ICBMS, including the Dong Feng 31 missile, which can drop three nuclear warheads on any city in the U.S.[/font]

[font=arial, helvetica]The success of Shen is a story of missiles, politics and greed. Gen. Shen succeeded in using Hughes and President Clinton as valuable tools to obtain weapons that are now pointed at the United States. [/font]

[font=arial, helvetica]China won and the U.S. lost what may very well be the first round of World War III. Gen. Shen led that victory and he did it with a checkbook. The Clinton legacy for the 21st century is a new arms race.[/font]





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Funny you should bring this up. You'd be amazed at how may Libertarians were once staunch Republicans (raises hand) that are completely fed-up with the liberal spending, overlegislation, increasing government size, and civil rights-trampling ways of the modern-day GOP. But according to you, the real sell for all those people was pot, right?:dis:

Like I said, get a clue.

You're high right now aren't you? That whole pot thing touched a nerve huh?

You're a funny guy. You go off and defend the Libertarian party (pot party) like you started it (with a group of guys hanging round smoking dope and eating chili cheese fries). But when it comes to the war in Iraq and everything associated with the government, everything is a conspiracy.

You know what you are.....a typical guy who claims to be a free thinker. Beware anyone who says they are a free thinker or has an "open-mind." That really is code for free thinker to your own opinions but close-minded to anyone else's. Most of these free thinking hippies you call party members are very closed minded about defending this country.

I got you dude.........I guess I'm the word Republican but maybe I'm the only one left. All of those things you said I agree with but most importantly I want the defense of this country as #A1 on the list.

Dude, we get it, Ok? You have no idea what you're talking about. No need to sit here and keep reinforcing it. We believe you! And yes, I'm high doing traffic engineering. It's so much easier that way. Got any other clever jabs? You're so razor-sharp. Let me know if you ever decide to make sense.

Oooohhh BURN! Mercy, please! I'm a typical guy?! Man, you are just a tremendous judge of character.

Hey, I'm not saying that I'm not one, but I challenge you, no I DARE you, to find where I iterated such a proclamation of being a free-thinker. Making stuff up, yet again. martin would absolutely LOVE you.

you guys should call yourselves the ad hominem twins.

I don't have to talk about my occupation or dub myself with "Unconventional wisdom" to know what I think and what I believe in. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck and pretends to know so much about things, it's usually a pot smoking, "free thinking," waste of space.

You must be so proud. Most people have to do both of those things to know what they think and believe. Astounding feat. Really moving on up, ain't ya, champ?

Hahahaha...wanna try again? I think that ole cliche' got away from you. ROFL.

It must suck getting schooled by a waste of space duck. I'm almost starting to feel bad for doing it.

After some brief research on that particular phrase, I must say that it is indeed appropriate.