Karl Rove scandal starting to break open

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I'll just let martin give you the Libertarian lecture. He's going to slice you and dice you, ace. :lol:
     
  2. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    So commiting a federal crime by outing an intelligence agent with possible violations of the espionage act is insignificant, eh. Not something of international importance like Monica Lewinski's blow job.

    You still haven't documented your claims that Clinton enabled the Chinese to develop ICBMS or gave nuclear capabilities to the North Koreans. Why don't you do that now?

    It may be true that Hughes Aircraft and the VMR corporation may have improperly shared technology with the Chinese in a trade deal to permit US firms to have commercial satellites launched by China. But Clinton administration officials broke no laws. Chinese Missile Allegations: Key Stories -Washigton Post

    And since the Chinese have had ICBM's capable of hitting the US since 1979, I hardly think you can make a case that "Clinton enabled the CHinese to develop ICBMs. Chinese Missile Technology -- The Defense Journal

    As for Clinton giving North Korea nuclear technology . . .

    March 6, 1992: The United States imposes sanctions on two North Korea companies for missile proliferation activities.

    March 12, 1993: Amid demands for special inspections, North Korea announces its intention to withdraw from the Non-Proliferation treaty

    August 12, 1994: An “agreed statement” is signed that establishes a three-stage process for the elimination of North Korea’s nuclear weapons program. In return, the United States promises to move toward normalized economic and diplomatic relations and assures North Korea that it will provide assistance with the construction of proliferation-resistant light water reactors to replace North Korea’s graphite-moderated reactors that produce fissile material.

    October 21, 1994: North Korea also allows the IAEA to verify compliance through “special inspections,” and it agrees to allow 8,000 spent nuclear reactor fuel elements to be removed to a third country.

    May 24, 1996: The United States imposes sanctions on North Korea and Iran for missile technology-related transfers.

    October 16, 1996: After detecting North Korean preparations for a test of its medium-range Nodong missile, the United States deploys a reconnaissance ship and aircraft to Japan. The tests were cancelled.

    August 6, 1997: The United States imposes new sanctions on two additional North Korean entities for unspecified missile-proliferation activities.

    April 17, 1998: The United States imposes sanctions on North Korea and Pakistan in response to Pyongyang’s transfer of missile technology and components to Pakistan’s Khan Research Laboratory.

    April 6, 2000: The United States imposes sanctions on a North Korean firm, Changgwang Sinyong Corporation, for proliferating MTCR Category I items, possibly to Iran.

    Chronology of U.S.-North Korean Nuclear and Missile Diplomacy
     
  3. NoLimitMD

    NoLimitMD Founding Member

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    Looks like the American People consider this to be a pretty important topic as well.

    http://www.click2houston.com/news/4723367/detail.html

     
  4. LsuCraig

    LsuCraig Founding Member

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    Conservatives are not for higher spending..........I consider myself a staunch Republican and put up with Bush for the war. Not that I would have voted for anyone else but Bush and the spending habits for social security drug benefit and the like is way off base.

    But with the war I agree with him and the administration 100%.
     
  5. NoLimitMD

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    I didn't say Conservatives, I said "Republicans" like higher spending. While the campaign mantra is one of "We want smaller government," the reality is they're making government bigger. In all fairness, I have no doubt the Democrats would do the same if they controlled two branches as well.
     
  6. LsuCraig

    LsuCraig Founding Member

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    Oh you look at the big picture do you? I know exactly what the Libertarian Party is. You can say what you like but the vast majority of Libertarian's think they are Libertarian for one reason only dude: the legalization of pot. There's whole websites based on this very topic..........

    And I wasn't talking about me....I was talking about you and the Libertarian Party are mainly a bunch of pot smokers who could care less about the plight in Africa or WMD's........it's about getting medical marijuana legal...that's why the party is a nothing element. It's not a bunch of free thinkers like you claim to be.

    No one on here can be pinned down by conservative or liberal. Everyone has their own beliefs. I'm not a Bush lover.....neither Sr. or GW. I put up with the increased spending from term 1 on SSI Drug Benefits and the like for the war. I think the war is right and just as are his tax cuts and overall plans for education, the roll-back of silly environmental regulations that Clinton imposed that do nothing but look good and hinder business.

    So you're the one Libertarian that isn't a Libertarian to get pot legal.....good for you free-thinker.
     
  7. LsuCraig

    LsuCraig Founding Member

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    I agree NoLimit. There's nolimit to what Congress will do with spending and Bush and the Republicans are to blame. I have said many times that these spineless Republican's like Richard Baker and Spector are to blame for this crap.....Bush too for spending $3 trillion on a senior drug benefit program. I get it.......and don't like it. Like I told a friend though, he's willing and I'm willing to go along with that crap if we can just get this war on and start weeding out some of these crazies........
     
  8. G_MAN113

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    I understood what you meant. All too many people still think that the GOP is still a conservative party. Newsflash: The days of the GOP as the party of Reagan ended with Reagan. I'm no longer a member of the Republican Party (I'm an Independent now) because of my disgust at how the GOP has allowed itself to be co-opted.
     
  9. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    liber-what? what-tarians? what-what?
     
  10. Contained Chaos

    Contained Chaos Don't we all?

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    Yes. The bigger picture as in the government not telling people what to do with their private lives or their own money (which is also a private issue). That bother you? We favor the good old-fashioned way of thought of 'Let me run my own life.' It's fine if you want to keep allowing the government to run your life for you, but we have a different objective.

    Apparently not. Go ahead, click the link. It won't bite.

    Vast majority, huh? Care to document that one, chief?

    Listen, I don't need you telling me why people in my own party claim that particular allegiance. I could sit here and school you all day on it, so keep your dumbass assumptions down, son. Despite what you would like to believe, or what Bill O'Reilly has told you to believe, the LP is no hippie haven, that's for damn sure. You should really get a clue before spouting off to me about members of my own party. You have NO idea why I chose to be a Libertarian, or anyone else for that matter. You literally make stuff up to poison the name of those outside your oversimplified characterization of non-republicans. That comes as no surprise, however. That is a very common tendency from weak-minded individuals.

    Your childish accusations reveal how little you know about anything. Here, I'll even be nice enough to provide you with some additional reading about Libertarians. It certainly appears that you are due a healthy dose of one. Oh, and notice how many times pot is mentioned. It's really quite overwhelming.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian

    You know, you're spending all this time trying to convince everyone how much you deviate from the neo-cons, all the while shooting off about how the LP exists only to legalize pot. Do you not realize exactly how neo-con brainwashed you are sounding?
     

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