Reference was made to his inexperience, and it is obviously loco's belief that because Obama is a minority everyone is overlooking his inexperience. I'm leaning toward Obama because he is the one of the three left standing that doesn't seem full of shizzy.
I'm just tired fo Obama getting a free pass because he is black... Lack of experience... its ok, he is black...
I don't think he's getting a free pass; I and a great number of people are leaning towards Obama or are already on that bandwagon for reasons other than race.
What free pass? Be specific. How does being black get him less scrutiny than the other candidates get? Who has said that? Is he not out there running like the rest of them? A lot has been made of his lack of experience in the media. Hillary sure hasn't given him any "pass". Neither have the 50% of the democratic primary voters who voted against him. WTF are you talking about?
Red, I will give you the biggest free pass he has recieved so far.His Church. Yes ,we have heard about Rev Wright,but only because he says such outrageous things that people can't look over it.But nothing about his church. If he was a Jehovah's Witness,I would assume he was a liittle to the left since most JW's are,and I could argue doctrine with them all day,However, I wouldn't think they were rascist. If he was a Mormon, i would assume he was slightly to the right ,and could argue doctrine with them all day,but once again ...I wouldn't think they were rascist. If he was a "born again christian" ,I would assume he was to the right, although many sects are to the left.Once again , i could argue doctrine all day with them ,but I would not assume they were rascist. If he was a white guy, in a christain identity church,I would assume he was farther to the right than atilla the hun,rascist,probably a KKK or aryan nations member with a picture of Hitler hanging on his living room wall,and a swastika hanging up over his bed.His political career would have lasted less than Andy Warhol 's 15 minutes of fame. Obama's church? United Trinity Church sounds innocent enough.What do they teach ? "Black Liberation "Theology.About has far to the left as christian identity is right.Are they rascist?Read for yourself We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community. The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision: A congregation committed to ADORATION. A congregation preaching SALVATION. A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION. A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA. A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION. A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION. A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA. A congregation committed to LIBERATION. A congregation committed to RESTORATION. A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY. Click here to read about Dr. Wright’s talking points for Trinity United Church of Christ its Web site and the Black Value System. here is a quote from James Cone,one of the inventors of this so called "theology",and a person United Trinity names in its website. James Cone and Black Liberation Theology This quote is by malcolm X...Cone 's comment"he is not far wrong" "Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love."[17] How can he attend this church for twenty years and not buy into their heavily marxist rhetoric?
What I got out of that was that his religious beliefs conflict with yours. So what? Almost everybody's religious beliefs conflict with mine. You name a religion and I can show you things said by members of that religion that will offend anyone. I can show you church writings that are appalling. Religions are like that. We're not electing a minister here. I don't give half a damn what dieties, holy objects, and ancient mythologies a candidates chooses to venerate in his private life, as long as he doesn't promote it in office. But what of this "pass". Obama has gotten a lot of attention about his religion. A hell of a lot more that McCain or Clinton and only slightly less that Romney the Mormon. First it was about his Arabic family name and whether he was a muslim or not, then it turned to his church and his pastor. What "pass" are you talking about. I don't see it. You suggest that it is because he is black? How does that work?
:rolleye33: Red, It isn't the fact that his religious beliefs conflict with mine..It is that his church teaches a RASCIST,HEAVILY MARXIST theology.He went to this church for twenty years and so he must buy into this theology,correct I mean ...if he didn't buy into it...he wouldn't be going there. So ,religiously he can believe this RASCIST,HEAVILY MARXIST theology ,but politically he is somehow gioing to govern as a moderate? Ocean front property in Arizona ,anyone? He has gotten a pass on his church.It has been discussed rarely,and would have disappeared entirely if it wasn't for Rev Wrights greatest hits. NO other politician would have survived going to a RASCIST ,HEAVILY MARXIST church just like a white candidate wouldn't have survived ten minutes if he had been going to a RASCIST WHITE SUPREMACIST church. This guy attended this church with his wife and kids and yet somehow you don't think he believes this stuff.Would he have his kids being taught there ,if he did not believe this or want his kids to believe it.Or does he get home every sunday and say " now,children everthing you heard in church today was bull$hit.Forget everything you heard today" Yes,...that sounds reasonable:rolleye33:
I see the case for racist. What makes it heavily Marxist? Well, I know a lot of people who go to churches that have politics that they don't agree with . . . Catholics who are pro-choice, Baptists who are not fundamentalists, Jews that celebrate Christmas, even a Unitarian who dislikes lesbians. Churches are mostly about spiritual things more important than politics, and many members just ignore the politics. Again, religious beliefs are private, policy is public. Obama has promoted no racist, marxist policies that I'm aware of. Enlighten us. I worry about his governing as a moderate, too, but because of his short track record, none of it as an executive. I neither care or worry about his religious background, if he is not promoting racism and marxist. Guilt by association is an un-American concept. But it didn't. As already pointed out, Obama's religion has gotten huge coverage. I have no idea what "pass" you are talking about. Why are you SHOUTING inflammatory phrases and chanting them repeatedly like a revival preacher? Belaboring your point does not bestow it with more credence. :grin: I don't imagine that I know what this guy believes, it is you that does so, kedo. I know what the guy says and I'll believe what the guy does, but who can know what the guy believes.
The entire doctrine of this church was founded in the sixties ,and marxism is one of their primary beliefs Black Liberation Is Marxist Liberation One of the pillars of Obama's home church, Trinity United Church of Christ, is "economic parity." On the website, Trinity claims that God is not pleased with "America's economic mal-distribution." Among all of controversial comments by Jeremiah Wright, the idea of massive wealth redistribution is the most alarming. The code language "economic parity" and references to "mal-distribution" is nothing more than channeling the twisted economic views of Karl Marx. Black Liberation theologians have explicitly stated a preference for Marxism as an ethical framework for the black church because Marxist thought is predicated on a system of oppressor class (whites) versus victim class (blacks). Black Liberation theologians James Cone and Cornel West have worked diligently to embed Marxist thought into the black church since the 1970s. For Cone, Marxism best addressed remedies to the condition of blacks as victims of white oppression. In For My People, Cone explains that "the Christian faith does not possess in its nature the means for analyzing the structure of capitalism. Marxism as a tool of social analysis can disclose the gap between appearance and reality, and thereby help Christians to see how things really are." he picks a church to attend and this is it andd the best you can come up with is "we don't know what he believes?...I am sure that this church like most have a "Statement of faith" somewhere in their building,that tells what they teach.It is on their website.The whole doctrine of this church is marxism.Randy Weaver can buy into this marxist church ,or he can move his family out to Idaho and live by some white supremacist ,aryan nations bs,and i don't care.It is a free country.But Randy Weaver wouldn't be getting my vote if he was running for president either.
In fact, It is the largest congregation in the United Church of Christ, a much older, predominantly white denomination, whose Constitution states: Where is the Marxism and black liberation message here? Let me point out for the record that the document in question does not mention massive wealth distribution, Marxism, Karl Marx or his writings. Nor does it mention Black Liberation Theology, James Cone or his writings. These are suggestions that you are making. The doctrine of the United Church of Christ is listed above. Marxism is not mentioned or suggested. But OK, let's examine the Trinity United Church of Christ Statement of Faith as you suggest, that's fair. I went to their web site and checked. The first thing I noticed is that in the version you posted you edited out the entire leading section of the document--the religious part--and just put the trailing social section, as if that was their entire statement. Intentionally misleading, but we are not fooled. And then when I read the entire document that you offer as evidence there is nothing at all about Black Liberation Theology or Marxism in it. You yourself link it to statements from Karl Marx and James Cone. The document neither references these people nor mentions their philosophies. You must imagine "code phrases" in order to paint it with the brush of Marxism and Black Liberation Theology. You might as well examine the entrails of a chicken to determine this. Obama or any other reasonable person reading the statement of faith would not make the Marxism or black liberaion leaps that you suggest.
