well in this case i was discussing the topic, how likely it is that we lost our democracy. it makes a difference. if one guy shows up at the post office (a federal building) and screams "i am now dictator LOL"! one could say he is an insurrectionist and lock him up forever. but really he just needs to be told to please be quiet and wait in line like everyone else. similarly, the Jan 6th folks were really just trespassers and a few rioters, they wanted vote recounts no big deal.
Similarly, the @Winston1 of the world simply cannot understand this very succinctly made point. If they could, then perhaps the discussion could proceed.
i dont think you understand how government works. the vice presidengt cannot steal an entire country. like for example xi jinping cant offer mike pence 5 billion and pence gives him the united states. all of this is based on a lie, that democracy was under threat. thats a lie.
also it is worth noting that to imagine this insurrection happening, which allegedly can be accomplished by mike pence, even under this circumstance, the rioters have exactly zero input. even if they capture mike pence and evac him to borneo and torture him. the rioters can do exactly nothing to overthrow the govt. all of this is so stupid and people say it because they are cowards and are afraid to stray from the media/dem mainstream narrative. perhaps what was more likely to be a successful insurrection was the riot at the white house. they could have invaded the white house and killed trump, which necessarily removes an elected regime. this of course has a likelihood on 0.000000000 percent, which is more than the jan 6th folks had at overthrowing anything. their chances were less than zero. didnt even make sense.
I know exactly how the government works. If Mike Pence didn't perform his constitutional duty this democracy stood a significant chance of falling. We've been over this many times already. The insurrectionists storming the Capitol were not there to take over the government, and couldn't. They were there to terrorize Mike Pence into refusing to certify the electors, in which case we would have had a genuine constitutional crisis to be adjudicated by a corrupt Supreme Court and a corrupt man in the White House who might have and probably would have declared martial law. You're just endlessly dishonest.
would they take him hostage? steal him and take him to ecuador? how are they to "terrorize" him into making a decision he cant just reverse when he is free? also he has secret service protection and those guys could gun down a hundred magas in 10 seconds. and even if they couldnt and pence was kidnapped, his orders would not be followed if made clearly under duress. do you imagine them holding a knife to his throat saand saying "make trump king" and now suddenly everyone in government, from janitors to aircraft carriers are like "ok well now our leader is king trump!" this is all so fuckin stupid. every single bit of this is total insane fantasy do you think for instance, china could kidnap pence's wife and force him to give the US to china? the powers you imagine are held by the vice president are so hugely absurd! but you have to keep this dumb narrative aliv e that we were in danger. all for a minor procedural delay of a couple hours. so stupid its mind blowing
Maybe it’s like those movies when every 201 years in the first full moon with the key of Mordor does the passageway show itself for the current VP to take over the world by claiming the ring George Washington put in a secret room only illuminated by the moonlight only seen through a mirror upside down. All of this is clearly written in disappearing Indian blood on the back of the Declaration of Independence.
Why not? We know they constructed gallows for him. You're just f'ing stupid, really, on top of your dishonesty. The plan is outlined in the Eastman memos. Mike Pence didn't have to give the country to anybody... trump and the Supreme Court could TAKE it after Pence was terrorized into not certifying.
you know its not possible to kidnap the vice president and overthrow the govt. we are not living in a 1980's stallone movie. why not just claim they can kidnap biden and take him to mount doom do we live in a superhero movie? are you a child? you cant terrorize the vice president into saying things and then suddenly the country is no longer a democracy. if you hold a gun to pence and force him to say trump is king, trump doesnt actually become king. this is just so stupid its beyond its truly incredible but this is the widespread narrative. again, you would need roughly 200 million more collaborators. the eastman memos do not mention any mobs or intimidation whatsoever. the riot and breaking and entering are totally irrelevant. anyone who got near the VP would have been killed by some of the most skilled shooters on earth, who carry mp5s etc. so stupid.
