So you won’t to take care of our own? Why do you think we are fighting this war against terrorism in the first place? Would you prefer that we ignore the fact that radical Islamic Jihadist terrorists have declared war on us? What happened on 9/11 wasn’t obvious enough for you? Gee, what is it going to take? Jobs? You can’t have jobs or economic growth unless you have national security! National security has to always come first! Regarding our elderly not being able to afford medication, you obviously haven’t been paying any attention! You better wake up! I'll go easy on you and want mention anymore since it is more than obvious! And regarding the manufactured out of thin air very demagogic outsourcing scam, please outsourcing and insourcing of jobs have been going on since this country was first created. It’s the same natural economic evolution that has always taken place in this country and has led to a steady increasing in standards of living. Old marginal antiquated jobs have always been routinely exported overseas, not because of corporate greed, but because of foreign competition and corporate economic survival. It’s a matter of surviving in the face of foreign competition. What? Would you prefer they remain domestic until foreign competition puts them out of business? Why aren’t you crying about the industries that are insourced into this country that ultimately replace those that are outsourced and that is also competition driven, by the way. I mean would you prefer to continue working in a low skill, low paying Maytag plant, or would you prefer to work for high paying Honda or BMW? Come on, the choice is up to you! Finally, how can you condemn the whole military by equating the ridiculous actions of just 7 soldiers out of a force of 2.5 million to the torture and cowardly beheading of an innocent American with his hands and legs tied by Islamic Jihadi terrorists? Really, you might as well as condemn the whole USA as prisoner mistreaters too! Get your moral compass recalibrated. Moral relativism is really a very corrupt form of thinking and simple mind control. I can guarantee you one thing, if we don’t win this war on terrorism it most definitely will come back and bite us on the ass!
You are making a value judgement here that is comletely off the wall. "Occupied" only means that troops are in control of a place, nimrod. No one has mentioned or insinuated any American imperialistic motives. We didn't invade Germany because we wanted it for ourselves. We didn't liberate it either, we liberated our ally France. Germany was the enemy, so we conquered and occupied the place. The intelligent Germans copperated with us for the most part, didn't try to kill us and undermine the effort, and regained sovereignty in peaceful manner and in just a few years. But our troops are still there.
According to The Hague Convention, territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army.
When someone starts raving, making insults, and calling names, I realize he has lost the argument, has exhausted his logic, and has resigned from the debate. I'll make one point and then leave it to you. I'm not getting caught up responding to sad personal attacks. Where do you get this silly notion that "occupied" means "imperialist". Get a dictionary. "Occupied" only means that foreign troops are in control of a place. It has nothing to do why they are there, how long they stay, "imperialist" motives, or whatever. All of us love America, chum. Waving the flag doesn't enhance your poor grasp of history. I give you one example. The US invaded Mexico in 1847, occupied the capital and didn't leave until they accepted our annexation of Texas, California, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Nevada, and Western Colorado -- all formerly part of Mexico. Ask any Mexican if he feels that "America doesn’t have an imperialist bone in it’s body, it has always conquered evil and then rebuilt the countries it conquered before turning them back over to its people better than it was before." You are absolutely right in that "There isn’t a country in this world that has done more to foster democracy in the name of peace than the USA". Everybody agrees. But it doesn't mean we've always been perfect. It doesn't mean that we are incapable of making a mistake in Iraq. And it is surely no reason to ignore any history that doesn't agree with your hypothesis.
Mitsubitshi, is cutting it's staff. Maytag employees averaged $26,000, and now Mitzu Beechie is cutting jobs for 500 people. We need jobs. It does not matter to most folks who they work for; they want to feed their family. Look at Louisiana are things booming. Are could you use jobs. I am from Louisiana; I grew up in a hub for the oil patch. Are things booming as if it were the 70's? Hell no. I would like to hear you tell the men and women at Maytag that there job is a ****ty job, and to go get a job at a Honda Plant or a BMW plant. I would love to watch these people who are going to loose their homes and lively hood rip your smug ass apart. I love my country and read plenty. Through reading, have also learned that America has done its share of under handed things in the past. The CIA is underhanded, some time for the good of the country and some time the not so good. So let us get down to the nitty gritty, who trained Saddam, Castro,and the list of leaders, we did. We tried to use them as our pawn, and then they went there own way. If you want to talk about waste of money, how about Mexico. We give them Twenty Billion per year for drug intervention. They laugh at us; take our money and they help the drug lords for a price. Are we stopping the flow of drugs, hell no. I have a great job, and own a striving business. Nevertheless, not all of usare able to be in management or own a business like myself. America will always have some people that with all the training available will be only capable of blue-collar jobs. These Americans at one time built things, the factory workers, steel mill workers, and the off shore roustabouts. You are the type of person that if your life is going well, screw everyone else. I am not.
i know, that is what i was telling you. why even mention it when our motives are completely right? the original comment you responded to was "I’ve looked back at my history books and I can’t find one instance of the US occupying another country. Now I oft found cases where we liberated populations and rebuilt countries and a whole continent in one case, but no cases where we actually imperialistically occupied another country." which he uses the word "imperialistically occupied". listen closely now. he is not talking about places we liberated. and you respond with a list of countries we have occupied. to which i respond that you are ridiculous to even mention, as if it is relevant to list countries we had to fight in ww2 as places we have occupied. why bother mentioning the irrelevant? when he specifically says he isnt discussing places we liberated, you continue on to list places we liberated, as if you are proving him wrong. the original statement you replied to was correct. your stupid list of countries we have occupied was pointless and irrelevant to turbo's point that we do not "imperialistically occupy" any countries. that is what i was telling you. if the claim is made that we are not imperialist occupiers, and you reply with a list including germany and japan, you need to learn to read better. you take him out of context and list places we occupied, after he specifically said he was not referring to places we simply occupied, but rather when we were "imperialistic". you isolated his quote in order to deliberately take him out of context. thats pretty cheap dude.
Busybee, I have no clue who you are talking about but i will respond. If Maytag only pays there employees $26,000 a year then who's fault is that? People making that salary still make more than a lot of people do in other countries and at one time not that long ago I made that salary myself. Mitsubishi maybe cutting thier staff but i bet you could find another foreign company increasing thier staff at the same time, I've read enough on the subject lately. I read and posted a thread here on insourcing versus outsourcing. The point is its a natural evolution of an economy for both progressions. For those against outsourcing jobs lets send Nissian and thier factories home because you can't have it both ways, the world doesn't work that way. We do get the short end of the stick in this area sometimes but we also do in trade. As far as jobs go, you say that people don't care who they work for. I've seen tons of help wanted signs around the Denver Area lately so thier isn't like jobs aren't out there. People definitely do underhanded and sneaky things in America just like they do in other countries, that is part of human nature and it happens. You almost sound anti-American to talk about nitty gritty and blame America for monsters like Saddam and other "bad" leaders but why not talk about the good ones as well? Its also a natural process to have allies and deal with leaders, provide training and trade goods with countries then at some point that country could turn into an enemy. Countries look after thier own self interest all the time. I don't like giving all this free drug money to countries all over the world, I'm against it but I don't guess theres anything I can do about it. You talk about all these list of workers and blame outsourcing but why not blame technology for putting farmers or thier workers out of work? You might as well go ahead and blame technology. When you make a phone call and instead of getting a person you get an automated menu. I too am a business owner, but before I had my business I worked various jobs in my life from bagging groceries to Walmart and Home Depot. I never thought I would own a business but sometimes its being at the right place at the right time. Some people have undiscovered talents and others have to find thier groove, some have desires to be something. The bottomline is the world is ever changing and its up to the individuals, Life is what you make out of it!
You can't compare the switchboard operator replaced by technology to the factory worker that was replaced by a ten year old kid in india that has been sold to a slave labor boss(Nike) nor the plant worker that has to follow Federal guidelines to the Mexican that lets the slop run into a ditch next to the plant(many oil companies). As far as I'm concerned Nissan can pack their sh*t and get!!!!! Americans buy TONS more from Japan than the Japanese buy from us. THEY NEED US, WE DON'T NEED THEM. We are trading manufactoring jobs with good salaries and benifits for jobs flipping burgers at McDonalds and pushing buggies at WallMart, it is not an even tradeoff no matter what the job numbers are! I have a good paying job with benifits but everyday I see those replaced out hunting for a job paying half of what they made before with no benifits and starting their lives and career all over again at an age when they should be on the stretch run to retirement. Please dont give me that outsourcing is good for America or inevitable BS! It is all about corporate greed period. The average Japanese CEO makes 50 times what the average Japanese worker makes. The average American CEO makes 500 times what the average American worker makes, greed greed greed period. I am all for people working hard earning a spot at the top and getting wealthy. I am not at all for American companies that made billions of dollars off the sweat of American workers by selling their products to Americans and then packing their bags and leaving American workers high and dry just so they can drive up their salaries. You can bet your sweet ass they are not going to share the increased profits with the new workers. Then they are going to turn around and try to sell their products to the same workers they shafted and are now flipping burgers for a living. You talk about spitting in the face of the American worker. I've agreed with many of your posts and you seem like a really nice guy but try selling that outsourcing is good bullsh*t to someone else because I ain't buying!!!! :cuss: :cuss: :dis: :dis: :shock: :shock: :thumb: :thumb: :usaflagwa :usaflagwa :usaflagwa :usaflagwa :usaflagwa :usaflagwa :usaflagwa :usaflagwa :usaflagwa :usaflagwa :usaflagwa :usaflagwa :usaflagwa :usaflagwa :usaflagwa :usaflagwa :usaflagwa :usaflagwa :usaflagwa :usaflagwa :usaflagwa :usaflagwa :usaflagwa :usaflagwa :usaflagwa :usaflagwa
