Isla Vista killing....the NRA's fault?

No Virgil Earp's down just had murderers and thieves

 

Mostly buffalo hunnters, railroad workers, drifters and soldiers who quickly found the saloons after long excursions on the prairie. The inevitable gunfights ensued.

If I catch ya packin' in my town I'll send ya to Boot Hill. Pilgram

 

What exactly do you consider a "good sense" law? Of course all guns will never be made illegal but how much restriction of your second amendment right are you willing to stomach. There is nothing wrong with the gun laws in Louisiana and the only way the federal law comes into play is when you buy a gun from a licensed dealer and they do a background check. I have already cited other areas where the laws are far more restrictive. The laws of places like Chicago will never be enacted federally because even some Democratic senators and congressmen know they would never get re-elected if they voted for them.

A mass killer is not the same thing as a serial killer. A mass killer goes out with guns blazing with the final act of their twisted scenario being played out in a matter of minutes. As much as these incidents get national publicity they are fewer in number than the probable number of serial killers operating at any time. For whatever the motives of a mass killer they are not the psycho-sexual fantasy of wanting to make somebody suffer again and again. I would guess that there are not more than 6 or 7 such incidences like the recent college campus shootings, Sandy Hook, the movie theater in Denver and the Fort Hood shooter.

A serial killer operates over a period of months or years and nobody knows about it until they are caught. Some of them even appear to be normal and blend in well with society when they aren't killing. Bundy went to law school. Gacy was a respected contractor who had his picture taken with then first lady Rosalind Carter. I encountered Sean Vincent Gillis on several occasions because he worked in a Circle K that I stopped in now and then for cigarettes or beer. I didn't know him but I don't remember thinking he was crazy. There is a lot longer list of these degenerates than the list of mass shooters and for most of them the preferred method of killing is by strangulation or a knife. Its much more up close and personal.

Also there are a lot more fatal shootings in domestic situations and drunken brawls than there are rampage mass shootings. How are you going to identify who might end up shooting somebody in such a situation. Maybe should at least temporarily take a gun away from anybody who often has his spouse or neighbors call to report he has gone nuts again. The best the cops can do is arrest somebody after they break the law

 

Red is pretty spot on. One thing the NRA and others need to remember no constitutional right is unlimited. There are limits on the 1st amendment and all others so there should be on the 2nd. In addition to the items Red mentioned above I believe every gun purchase should be accompanied by a safety course. Even experienced gun owners can use a refresher course as how often do you read about policemen or other very experienced people accidentally shooting themselves or someone else. Like wise delayed pick up and more in depth background checks (even at gun shows) are reasonable. Also ammunition should have limits. I don't see why so called cop killer bullets...those designed to pierce body armor or walls etc should be on public sale.
There are reasonable limits that wouldn't interfere with a person's ability to protect themselves, enjoy the sport or the collection.

 

Ya'll are barking up the wrong tree.


It has been said about 1,000 times. About 99% of all the measures proposed do nothing for safety. Key point is that the criminals DO NOT follow the law.



In my honest opinion, anything our than serious mental screenings is nil.

 

One thing is that we need to stop treating gun incidents as all coming from the same source. Sure there are crazies that go on rampages and get the big headlines. Only better mental health recognition and intervention will get to those and then never all.
However they are a minor and frankly secondary source of gun violence. The most serious source is the feckless and wanton resort to violence by an increasing segment of the population. It is too easy to blame it on gangs, minorities etc but we see it throughout the country across the spectrum. We see it when a judge picks a fight with an attorney in his court.
IMO it comes from 2 places. The first is the mistaken believe that being respected demands answer for every slight. It IS NOT "Do unto others as they do unto you" BUT "Do unto others as YOU would wish be done to you". That isn't a religious concept but a moral one.

The second is a loss of faith in the ability of government at al levels to manage a safe and fair society and the believe taking that into our own hands is a better option. Again you see it across the political spectrum from the occupy movement to those who support Cleve Bundy. Maybe our leaders have given reason for the loss of faith but it always has been and always will be the responsibility of the citizens to take interest in and responsibility for their government not hiding behind slogans but voting and holding their representatives to a higher standard.

It isn't easy but without it we fall into demagogy and dictatorship. To paraphrase Ben Franklin at the end of the constitutional convention...You have your democracy if you can hold it.

 

Tell me when I objected to anything? You are twisting words.