Is There a ‘Right’ to Health Care?

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  1. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    No. I am a business consultant. Sometimes I have healthcare clients, but I usually work with manufacturers.


    Going to a different doc is always an option until the government steps in and forces you to see one you don't like.

    See above. How are you forced to use this PPO. Can't you buy another plan? I am assuming by "forced" you mean "provided by my employer." If I am wrong please tell me.

    Dude, you are clearly angry at all docs. I could see some rational in being angry at docs who screwed you over, but you said some pretty nasty things about "most" docs and that is irational.


    Then why do you care that some doctors and nurses make a lot of money. You should be happy for them. I used to wait tables and I liked waiting on people with a lot of money because if I did a good job I got a better tip. I want everyone to make a lot of money.

    I don't think it is right or fair for me to say what someone should make especially when no one is forcing me to use their services.


    So you don't have a sense of humor. I'll mark it down on my steno pad.

    I am very well versed in fraud and waste in the healthcare industry, but sick people are not forced to pay for any services they did not willingly choose. If a doc is charging for services he did not perform the patient should be able to see that when they review their EOB and not pay for them. If a doc is routinely upcoding procedures his payors will catch on.

    As for the costs being to high... well I think milk costs too much. Let's limit what dairy farmers can sell it for. I also think shoues should cost a quarter. Lets get big daddy government to regulate that.

    If you don't like the cost don't use the service.

    Everyone on this board knows I am dumb. I can't even spell right most of the times. You don't need to call me out.
     
  2. mobius481

    mobius481 Registered Member

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    I'm amazed at this post, I really am. Take some time and think about the things you are saying here.

    Agreed, but why do they do this?????

    Because the government sponsored plans do not cover the cost of the clinic. Here are some articles that discuss this. One from the CEO of the Mayo Clinic who Obama touts as an example of an ideal healthcare facility.

    Denis Cortese of Mayo Clinic on Health Care Reform - Health Blog - WSJ

    Northeastern Hospital will be closed | Philadelphia Inquirer | 03/24/2009

    I find it hilarious that you think this will improved with a state run program. This only gets worse, plus you have to wait months for care from a specialist. Here's some info on England and Canada's wait times for healthcare as those seem to be the ones that everyone idolize.

    truthfulpolitics.com - Truthful Politics and Healthcare

    Wait times for surgery in Canada at all-time high: study

    No question about it. You want to cut your nose off to spite your face?

    You get what you pay for. When I need life saving surgery, I'm pretty happy about the fact that my doc makes 800k/year. That way I know he's got to be the most qualified to do it because if he was making 150k/year, it could be any joe schmo. And by the way, nurses are not overpaid, trust me on that one.



    There goes the nose again.

    This is not reality. These rates can easily be negotiated down to private insurance levels or lower. But back to the reason they have to do this. It's because laws have been made that underpay the system and privately insured and uninsured who can afford foot the bill. How does making this plan that underpays the system available to more/all citizens make our costs go down? No one has explained this yet.

    It sounds like you're pissed but have no idea how to channel your frustration into productive ideas. Try getting a better handle on the real issues with healthcare and channel your energy better.
     
  3. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    You are right. I will probably be wealthy one day. I estimate it will take about 15 years.
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Yes, young people all imagine that they are the future rich. Most likely you will be prosperous as most of us are, but it won't keep you from being screwed or dropped by your insurance carrier. Give it a few decades and you will experience what Charlie and I are talking about. You or your parents or someone you know that is equally hard-working and prosperous can lose everything to one catastrophic illness and a greedy insurance company that is limiting their risk at your expense. You will experience doctors that are limited in what they can do for you because of insurance policies. You will experience hospitals that run up their bills by ordering unneeded procedures.

    Our present system has a lot of good things going for it and also a lot of very bad things. It can stand some tightening up and deep down you know this to be true.
     
  5. shaqazoolu

    shaqazoolu Concentrated Awesome

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    This is a HUGE if. As far I know, in the current plan, there pretty much is no option. You have to use the Fed's healthcare. As in no choice. Also, the government will have the right to cancel your stuff rather than "preventing you from being dropped".
     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Where do you get that? Obama has always said that if you like your current plan you can stick with it.
     
  7. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    right, in the case of the post office it should not be forgotten that they remain in business because it is literally illegal for fedex and ups to send regular first class mail. if you want to send your check to the power company and want to ups it, you have to either put in a big ass box and send it like parcel, or pay to send it turbo fast in one of those large document envelopes.
     
  8. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    well, not really, in the sense that you will be paying more taxes for everyone else's plan.
     
  9. mobius481

    mobius481 Registered Member

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    Red, how does private insurance stay competitive against a much larger gov't plan that right now does cover the cost of treatment under medicare and medicaid?
     
  10. Rex_B

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    Unless your employer drops your coverage b/c they would rather the govt pay for it than them...
     

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