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Coronavirus hospitalizations in California are at an all-time high. Doctors and nurses at some hospitals say their long-feared nightmare has arrived.

Statewide, the number of people hospitalized with COVID-19 has increased nearly 50% over the last two weeks and now sits at a record high. The earlier peak of 3,497 hospitalized patients in California on April 29 was surpassed June 20, and the number has continued to climb every day since then. On Saturday, 6,322 people were hospitalized with COVID-19 in California.

Health officials have linked the surge to an increase in transmission of the coronavirus that began in late May, as some counties began reopening businesses, thousands gathered in large protests and some people, tired of staying home, met up with family and friends.

The growth in hospitalizations has prompted a rollback of reopenings, but the benefits have yet to be seen in the case numbers.

Dr. Stephanie Loe, an emergency room physician with the Riverside University Health System, flew to New York in the spring to help treat COVID-19 patients when the surge didn't materialize in California.
At the time, only a few coronavirus patients were in her ER at Riverside, and the numbers of patients with traumas like gunshot wounds and injuries from car accidents were lower than usual, probably because of the stay-at-home orders. Many people also seemed to be avoiding the ER for treatment for strokes and heart attacks.

Now, those usual ER patients are filing in again, as are large numbers of COVID-19 patients, pushing the hospital to its capacity, she said. Loe said ER doctors are accustomed to an extremely busy shift now and again, "but right now it's consistently bad."

“Every day in the last two weeks has been, if not steady, consistently getting worse," she said.

The increase in coronavirus cases in California has prompted hospital leaders to kick into high gear and prepare for a surge, said Carmela Coyle, head of the California Hospital Assn.

They are drafting plans to shift patients between hospitals if needed, bolstering testing supplies, training staff to treat COVID-19 patients as well as "looking at every nook and cranny within California's hospitals to see if there is more space," Coyle said at a news conference last week.

"California hospitals have been and continue to be ready to deal with the COVID crisis," she said.

Many healthcare workers say that even if hospitals can find space to put beds, staffing remains a bottleneck, one that could become even more restrictive if nurses begin falling sick from the virus. Some nurses say they believe that will happen because of inadequate protective gear.
Anne Caputo-Pearl, a nurse at California Hospital Medical Center in downtown Los Angeles, noted that before the pandemic, N95 masks were worn when a nurse entered a patient room, and then immediately disposed of. Now, staffers are wearing a single N95 mask per day, or even per week, she said.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention sanctioned the shift in policy early in the pandemic amid a nationwide shortage of protective equipment. That has left many healthcare workers feeling unsafe at work, even if their gear technically meets federal standards.

"Anyone who can read can look on the box and see these are all meant to be single-use items," Caputo-Pearl said. "Everybody knows what it means to be a nurse in the hospital, but nobody signed up to be sacrificed on the altar of this pandemic."

Fear and panic within hospitals has subsided since March and given way to weariness, healthcare workers say.

Briggs, the Bakersfield nurse, said the recent surge has forced ICU nurses who are typically assigned to one patient to watch over two. In a recent week, she worked five 12-hour shifts without a single break, she said.

Briggs, who said this moment was unlike anything in her 30-year career, described the added toll of caring for patients who are so sick.

She has recently seen people admitted to the ICU, including some in their 20s, suffering from COVID-19 and experiencing organ failure, with their kidneys, livers or hearts shutting down. Staff morale is low when it feels like few patients ever leave the ICU, she said.

Plus, nurses serve as go-betweens for patients and their loved ones because visitors aren't allowed in hospitals due to the pandemic.

“We’re the sole contact between families and the patients, and we’re trying to provide emotional support to both," Briggs said. "Who’s giving us the emotional support we need?"

Many healthcare workers said they felt frustrated by seeing people leave their homes without masks and not taking the virus seriously. The dire consequences of their actions, they noted, are playing out on their hospital wards.

At Desert Valley Hospital in Victorville, physicians are treating more COVID-19 patients than ever but are short on remdesivir, a medicine used to improve patient outcomes, said Dr. Imran Siddiqui. Many hospitals reported not having enough of the drug and being forced to ration it, choosing which patients receive it and which don't.

Siddiqui said he has heard other hospitals don't have enough oxygen tanks or other machines for breathing treatments. Many are struggling with staffers falling ill, often not at the hospital but in their communities as case numbers soar, he said.

"It's worse than the first time," he said. "It’s just spreading like wildfire and the hospitals are getting slammed."

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With coronavirus patients filling up Inland Empire hospitals, nurses are desperate for relief

However, many healthcare workers reported that it seems that survival rates for patients are improving, though there is not yet clear data. Physicians have some medicines that can help and have learned that delaying when a patient goes on a ventilator can actually improve their chance of survival.

Siddiqui said doctors have also realized that many patients were dying of blood clots, so they now are quickly prescribing blood thinners to COVID-19 patients. These improvements, in addition to a younger demographic falling sick, could contribute to death rates in California remaining relatively stable despite the recent surge in hospitalizations, he said.

"At the same time, it's too early to tell," he said. "I think in two weeks we'll know."

In Ventura County, the number of people hospitalized with the virus has quadrupled since early June. That surge has been felt at Los Robles Regional Medical Center in Thousand Oaks, though there remains ample capacity, said Dr. Gabriella Sherman, the hospital's chief medical officer.

But she said she is watching the numbers carefully as conditions shift, often unpredictably.

"It is something that we know would change overnight," she said.
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There were "58k" new cases yesterday and 400 deaths do the math....

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we seem deeply unable to accept the reality that kids dont get it. cnn reporters keep telling a story of a teacher that died. she wasnt even teaching kids, she was at school with other teachers doing remotes for students at home.

kids need to be socialized or they will grow up like those weird home schooled kids

teachers should avoid each other , not kids. especially because teachers are fat.

speaking of fat, the fact that skinny people live is not being publicized enough. you coulda started losing weight in march and lost 30 pounds by now and be way less risky.

every time i hear on the news a 38 year old died i am like well that sucks thats pretty young and then i see a photo of a fat sack that was 5 minutes from heart failure already.

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Winston1 said: ↑

Is this fake news?
https://apple.news/A2jSntmwHSZON1YcEQjQlww

Coronavirus hospitalizations in California are at an all-time high. Doctors and nurses at some hospitals say their long-feared nightmare has arrived.

Statewide, the number of people hospitalized with COVID-19 has increased nearly 50% over the last two weeks and now sits at a record high. The earlier peak of 3,497 hospitalized patients in California on April 29 was surpassed June 20, and the number has continued to climb every day since then. On Saturday, 6,322 people were hospitalized with COVID-19 in California.

Health officials have linked the surge to an increase in transmission of the coronavirus that began in late May, as some counties began reopening businesses, thousands gathered in large protests and some people, tired of staying home, met up with family and friends.

The growth in hospitalizations has prompted a rollback of reopenings, but the benefits have yet to be seen in the case numbers.

Dr. Stephanie Loe, an emergency room physician with the Riverside University Health System, flew to New York in the spring to help treat COVID-19 patients when the surge didn't materialize in California.
At the time, only a few coronavirus patients were in her ER at Riverside, and the numbers of patients with traumas like gunshot wounds and injuries from car accidents were lower than usual, probably because of the stay-at-home orders. Many people also seemed to be avoiding the ER for treatment for strokes and heart attacks.

Now, those usual ER patients are filing in again, as are large numbers of COVID-19 patients, pushing the hospital to its capacity, she said. Loe said ER doctors are accustomed to an extremely busy shift now and again, "but right now it's consistently bad."

“Every day in the last two weeks has been, if not steady, consistently getting worse," she said.

The increase in coronavirus cases in California has prompted hospital leaders to kick into high gear and prepare for a surge, said Carmela Coyle, head of the California Hospital Assn.

They are drafting plans to shift patients between hospitals if needed, bolstering testing supplies, training staff to treat COVID-19 patients as well as "looking at every nook and cranny within California's hospitals to see if there is more space," Coyle said at a news conference last week.

"California hospitals have been and continue to be ready to deal with the COVID crisis," she said.

Many healthcare workers say that even if hospitals can find space to put beds, staffing remains a bottleneck, one that could become even more restrictive if nurses begin falling sick from the virus. Some nurses say they believe that will happen because of inadequate protective gear.
Anne Caputo-Pearl, a nurse at California Hospital Medical Center in downtown Los Angeles, noted that before the pandemic, N95 masks were worn when a nurse entered a patient room, and then immediately disposed of. Now, staffers are wearing a single N95 mask per day, or even per week, she said.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention sanctioned the shift in policy early in the pandemic amid a nationwide shortage of protective equipment. That has left many healthcare workers feeling unsafe at work, even if their gear technically meets federal standards.

"Anyone who can read can look on the box and see these are all meant to be single-use items," Caputo-Pearl said. "Everybody knows what it means to be a nurse in the hospital, but nobody signed up to be sacrificed on the altar of this pandemic."

Fear and panic within hospitals has subsided since March and given way to weariness, healthcare workers say.

Briggs, the Bakersfield nurse, said the recent surge has forced ICU nurses who are typically assigned to one patient to watch over two. In a recent week, she worked five 12-hour shifts without a single break, she said.

Briggs, who said this moment was unlike anything in her 30-year career, described the added toll of caring for patients who are so sick.

She has recently seen people admitted to the ICU, including some in their 20s, suffering from COVID-19 and experiencing organ failure, with their kidneys, livers or hearts shutting down. Staff morale is low when it feels like few patients ever leave the ICU, she said.

Plus, nurses serve as go-betweens for patients and their loved ones because visitors aren't allowed in hospitals due to the pandemic.

“We’re the sole contact between families and the patients, and we’re trying to provide emotional support to both," Briggs said. "Who’s giving us the emotional support we need?"

Many healthcare workers said they felt frustrated by seeing people leave their homes without masks and not taking the virus seriously. The dire consequences of their actions, they noted, are playing out on their hospital wards.

At Desert Valley Hospital in Victorville, physicians are treating more COVID-19 patients than ever but are short on remdesivir, a medicine used to improve patient outcomes, said Dr. Imran Siddiqui. Many hospitals reported not having enough of the drug and being forced to ration it, choosing which patients receive it and which don't.

Siddiqui said he has heard other hospitals don't have enough oxygen tanks or other machines for breathing treatments. Many are struggling with staffers falling ill, often not at the hospital but in their communities as case numbers soar, he said.

"It's worse than the first time," he said. "It’s just spreading like wildfire and the hospitals are getting slammed."

CALIFORNIA

With coronavirus patients filling up Inland Empire hospitals, nurses are desperate for relief

However, many healthcare workers reported that it seems that survival rates for patients are improving, though there is not yet clear data. Physicians have some medicines that can help and have learned that delaying when a patient goes on a ventilator can actually improve their chance of survival.

Siddiqui said doctors have also realized that many patients were dying of blood clots, so they now are quickly prescribing blood thinners to COVID-19 patients. These improvements, in addition to a younger demographic falling sick, could contribute to death rates in California remaining relatively stable despite the recent surge in hospitalizations, he said.

"At the same time, it's too early to tell," he said. "I think in two weeks we'll know."

In Ventura County, the number of people hospitalized with the virus has quadrupled since early June. That surge has been felt at Los Robles Regional Medical Center in Thousand Oaks, though there remains ample capacity, said Dr. Gabriella Sherman, the hospital's chief medical officer.

But she said she is watching the numbers carefully as conditions shift, often unpredictably.

"It is something that we know would change overnight," she said.
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My theory is not that reopening per se has caused the so-called "second waves" in places like California, Texas, Florida, and Arizona. Rather, those states never, truly, suffered a first wave, like New York, New Jersey, or New Orleans (notice I didn't say all of Louisiana there.)

I believe those states shouldn't have shut down when they did because the virus wasn't causing large numbers of infections unlike in the aforementioned early hotspots.

Everyone knew Italy, and then Spain, were European hotspots. People didn't run around saying all of Europe was a hotspot because it wasn't. Well, Texas, alone, is almost as big as a huge chunk of Europe.

Our country is huge compared to most other countries. Each state truly could be considered its own country in size and population.

The entire nation didn't need to take the measures New York did when they were a hotspot. What the stay at home orders and restrictions have created are a fed-up population in states that didn't initially have a huge COVID problem, and now those states are trying to close up shop (literally) again...and many citizens are resisting.

Looking at all if this, I have to agree with @tirk. The virus is going to do what it is going to do. Dare I say it is going to do what the Chinese lab created it to do?

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Looking at all if this, I have to agree with @tirk. The virus is going to do what it is going to do.
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Go about your business as normal, it's likely all of us will get it no matter what we do. Have a beer and enjoy life.

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we seem deeply unable to accept the reality that kids dont get it. cnn reporters keep telling a story of a teacher that died. she wasnt even teaching kids, she was at school with other teachers doing remotes for students at home.

kids need to be socialized or they will grow up like those weird home schooled kids

teachers should avoid each other , not kids. especially because teachers are fat.

speaking of fat, the fact that skinny people live is not being publicized enough. you coulda started losing weight in march and lost 30 pounds by now and be way less risky.

every time i hear on the news a 38 year old died i am like well that sucks thats pretty young and then i see a photo of a fat sack that was 5 minutes from heart failure already.
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I am sick of the story about the now-martryed teacher in Arizona. How do they even know she caught COVID in that classroom? And, I mean, she was with two other people.

If I have to live the rest of my life being around 3 or fewer people, then COVID can go ahead and take me. I am a social being.

Oh, and the teachers in my building are not what I would call fat. There are a few exceptions, but overall, most are not. For one thing, before we had to sit on our asses all Spring in front of a computer all day, teachers were constantly up and moving around. The only good thing for me was being able to take a long walk around my neighborhood in the middle of the day.

I have declared (because the district required us to) that I want to be one of the in person teachers. Others are deciding to be online teachers. Our district, at this point, is giving parents two options: 5 days a week in person at school (in masks) and (hopefully) smaller class sizes, or all online. They will dedicate staff accordingly to do one or the other, but thankfully, not both.

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I am sick of the story about the now-martryed teacher in Arizona. How do they even know she caught COVID in that classroom? And, I mean, she was with two other people.

If I have to live the rest of my life being around 3 or fewer people, then COVID can go ahead and take me. I am a social being.

Oh, and the teachers in my building are not what I would call fat. There are a few exceptions, but overall, most are not. For one thing, before we had to sit on our asses all Spring in front of a computer all day, teachers were constantly up and moving around. The only good thing for me was being able to take a long walk around my neighborhood in the middle of the day.

I have declared (because the district required us to) that I want to be one of the in person teachers. Others are deciding to be online teachers. Our district, at this point, is giving parents two options: 5 days a week in person at school (in masks) and (hopefully) smaller class sizes, or all online. They will dedicate staff accordingly to do one or the other, but thankfully, not both.
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Centen, having a large Indian population, will probably have a low in person student turnout. Indians are scared. My neighborhood HOA is run by Indians (because they are the majority) and they did not even open the community pool this year while all the neighborhoods around me have.

If my 10th daughter had to stay at home for the fall, two women would die in my house. Wife would kill daughter and then she would kill herself from grief.

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When I saw your question didnt even think about the answer just started typing it was that easy. You stepped into caca with that question duck. Read it again duck it's a thing of beauty. It was a thing of beauty duck. Say it with me duck. You know you loved it.

FUCK FAUCI, BLM, ANTIFA AND ALL DEMOCRATS! Oh and buy Goya beans
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well, dufus, if you're gonna be like that,.. I take it back

your's was a lame post, just a whirlwind of tilted propaganda,.. and you avoided the point of my question

I threw you a bone out of pity, lol, but you actually believed I meant it

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well, dufus, if you're gonna be like that,.. I take it back

your's was a lame post, just a whirlwind of tilted propaganda,.. and you avoided the point of my question

I threw you a bone out of pity, lol, but you actually believed I meant it
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You are just mad cause I answered your question and made you think about your guilt about being white and made you think that being a black guy in America aint so bad after all.

Pity for me? HA

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Speaking of covid I went to Tractor Supply today. Some had mask on others didn't. What struck me was when checking out you have to get much closer than 6' from the cashier also you turn a corner to an aisle and a couple of times I was all of a sudden less than 2 feet from someone. Lastly when paying I had to touch a credit card screen to pay. I could have had 10 mask on and have picked up Covid from that screen that was touched over and over.

What a farce

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