IRS targeting of Conservative groups

All groups should be checked, the broader implication of this is the bullshit Citizens United ruling, thats my belief, its not a deflection. If you disagree then fine, but dont accuse me of changing the subject, when i was talking about the subject at hand

Now you are changing your tune. You already condemned the President without all of the facts, so yes it is personal for you. All you have to do is scroll up, now you change the meaning of your nonsense. Come on dude. And yes you did specifically blame the President in your prior post again its as easy as scrolling up. "Corrupt Administration, chicago politics" what the hell do you call that?


Do you understand that the DOJ never told someone to watch out. The surveillance was what i posted. Because of leaks, show me where they threatened someone or stomped on the first amendment rights of a media outlet, 'like you said they did'?

 

I'm with you on the Citizens United ruling. Tax expemption for political groups who use that money for political adds is BS. So is the noprofit status of the NFL...but I digress.

This and the the Justice Department siezing the AP phone records gives conspiracisits the data they need to show just how the govt can and will spy on you if they want. I don't see a gun background checks coming anytime soon.

Regardless of the people's names involved...and I believe Obama plays too much golf to be actively involved in these things, this is going to set back his administrations efforts to get his things done and now Republicans finally have something substantially negative to use. Their 2012 elections may be saved.

 

I actually agree with all of that.
Its definitely a black eye.

 

Follow the bouncing ball MM. I said the president's running an adminstration that is corrupt and full of chicago pols. That is descriptive. It is also HIS responsibility to set the tone and demand accountability. HE IS responsible as any leader is for the actions of his minions. HE isn't a puppet is he? You have blamed Bush for his administration's mistakes and crimes (if any) so should you acknowledge President Obama has the same blame to bear. There is so much smoke this adminstration will be consummed. That isn't good for any of us. I would rather he had been an effective president and good leader even if I disagreed with him. He is not and seems weak morally. Again that isn't personal...Hell I joked that we should have remembered that W couldn't run a baseball team when he was president of the Rangers, why did we think he would be a good president. I agreed with much of what W said but MUCH less of what he did.

Don't you understand the actions of the DOJ was a demonstration of power and threat against both the press and whistleblowers? If you stop communication you muzzle discussion. THAT is what they did by siezing the records.

 

Actually I don't give a shit. The government does far more shit than anyone could imagine.

I am not stupid enough to believe otherwise.

 

I agree.

 

by trying to find a leak of criminal behavior is not a muzzle or a threat. If it compromised an ongoing CIA op, then i can understand the phone records.
no you would rather assume before the facts came out. Clearly what you are doing here. Now you follow this fucking bouncing ball,

They have WMDs..... according to Sec of State and Sec of Defense on national TV..... 4k American Military Dead.....no they didnt have any WMDS.....NO INVESTGATION

IRS..... scrutinize Tea Party groups..... 75 which were tea party groups out of 300....no one knows how many liberal groups where in the 225 other groups... investigate......corrupt.......impeach.

DOJ......get phone records of AP...... trying to find a criminal leak of a CIA ongoing op......outrage.... investigation.....impeach

Benghazi.....four American dead.........lack of security....alledged cover up of talking points.......no one mentions vote on reduced funding for embassy security......attack Hillary Clinton because she is ahead in the polls.....investigate.....impeach..


which is worse. clearly you are just as partisan and your faux outrage proves it.

 

I would add that there were 12 Embassy and Consulate attacks during the GWB administration. 12. Twelve! As a matter of fact, on two separate occasions the same embassy or consulate was attacked more than once. Did you ever hear about investigations into why security wasn't beefed up at these outposts after the first attacks? In total more than 100 people died in these 12 attacks and not one single congressional hearing or even a segment on a late night political hack show devoted to it.

But now it's big news; an impeachable offense.

 

btw, no talking points cover up.. someone change the emails giving to the media.

here is the original emails.


http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/14/cnn-exclusive-white-house-email-contradicts-benghazi-leaks/

12:28 PM ET
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CNN exclusive: White House email contradicts Benghazi leaks

CNN's Jake Tapper reports:
CNN has obtained an e-mail sent by a top aide to President Barack Obama about White House reaction to the deadly attack last September 11 on the U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, that apparently differs from how sources characterized it to two different media organizations.
The actual e-mail from then-Deputy National Security Adviser for Strategic Communications Ben Rhodes appears to show that whomever leaked it did so in a way that made it appear that the White House was primarily concerned with the State Department's desire to remove references and warnings about specific terrorist groups so as to not bring criticism to the department.
Rhodes, White House communications director Jennifer Palmieri, and White House press secretary Jay Carney, could not be reached for comment.
In the e-mail sent on Friday, September 14, 2012, at 9:34 p.m., obtained by CNN from a U.S. government source, Rhodes wrote:
“All –
“Sorry to be late to this discussion. We need to resolve this in a way that respects all of the relevant equities, particularly the investigation.
“There is a ton of wrong information getting out into the public domain from Congress and people who are not particularly informed. Insofar as we have firmed up assessments that don’t compromise intel or the investigation, we need to have the capability to correct the record, as there are significant policy and messaging ramifications that would flow from a hardened mis-impression.
“We can take this up tomorrow morning at deputies.”
You can read the e-mail HERE.
ABC News reported that Rhodes wrote: “We must make sure that the talking points reflect all agency equities, including those of the State Department, and we don’t want to undermine the FBI investigation. We thus will work through the talking points tomorrow morning at the Deputies Committee meeting.” The Weekly Standard reported that Rhodes "responded to the group, explaining that Nuland had raised valid concerns and advising that the issues would be resolved at a meeting of the National Security Council’s Deputies Committee the following morning."
Whoever provided those quotes seemingly invented the notion that Rhodes wanted the concerns of the State Department specifically addressed. While Nuland, particularly, had expressed a desire to remove mentions of specific terrorist groups and CIA warnings about the increasingly dangerous assignment, Rhodes put no emphasis at all in his e-mail on the State Department's concerns.
Previous reporting also misquoted Rhodes as saying the group would work through the talking points at the deputies meeting on Saturday, September 15, when the talking points to Congress were finalized. While the previously written subject line of the e-mail mentions talking points, Rhodes only addresses misinformation in a general sense.
So whoever leaked the inaccurate information earlier this month did so in a way that made it appear that the White House – specifically Rhodes – was more interested in the State Department’s concerns, and more focused on the talking points, than the e-mail actually stated.​

 

The issue isnt the attack, its how it was handled.


ANYWAY, wrong thread.