Iraqi prime minister says U.S. troops can go 'anytime they want'

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And its all Bush's and the republicans fault?
Correct?
Interesting, Houtiger is saying just the opposite of you btw.:lol:
Either they did or didn't?:lol:

Yes we all know the democrats are far better in all aspects of the government than the republicans.
You are bringing up Clinton not me and yet you blame me for bringing him up
time and time again!:lol:
You have brought him twice that I've seen.
I'd like to see you prove where you've ever criticized the policies of the left.
I will take the chance and say I've criticized the right and this administration more the last year than you've criticized the left in the last 8 years.:grin:
Where is Superfan when you need him to point out things like that?
BTW the left wasn't for the cold war, Ted Kennedy went behind Reagan's back and policies to reason with communists.
Yep, your right the left are great on defense, attacking the right that is.
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200611/POL20061102b.html

 

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http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2007-06-13-petraeus-security_N.htm
You disagree with Generla Petraeus!

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2007-06-20-tribes-iraq_N.htm
Sunni's helping US forces.

http://www.boston.com/news/world/mi.../05/09/us_iran_helping_some_sunni_insurgents/
Iran involvement

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/15/w...tml?ex=1185422400&en=7316a6c9716bd16d&ei=5070
Maj. Gen. Rick Lynch

Wow, you and Red are so smart, smarter than generals and commanders so why aren't you two in charge of the troops like these guys are?
Maybe you should switch with these guys so that they can debate inside this forum with everyone else?

So the democrats had nothing to do with it or were they just stupid?

None of this makes any sense to me?
Heck, I don't thin we would make tanks and everything else just to fight OBL or a bunch of terrorist thugs.
Your point here seems to be narrow minded.
WE need to make these things and have a defense for other purposes.

See above.

I won't disagree here, Bush is no conservative, I don't like Bus 41 and I'd rather have him twice than 43.

They are just as bad, I disagree, they don't call Byrd the king of pork for nothing.

I won't disagree but Clinton didn't have to fight a war in Afghanistan.
I will leave out Iraq because you win there.

I guess this all leads back to Iraq but in defense of this administration they have done more to fight terrorism than the Clinton administration did.
The Clinton Administration should've went into Afghanistan and drove out Al Qaeda but they did practically nothing to stop the attacks on Americans over the years, another reason they are soft militarily along with Black hawk down.

Probably me to but I won't sacrifice this countries defense.
We need a strong defense with plenty of armamet including all those things you are questioning so that if nothing else its a deterant.
Its better to have a military that is too large than one that is too small.

 

Re: raqi prime minister says U.S. troops can go 'anytime they want'

From the article you cited:

Patraeus is in charge of it, what do you think he's going to say? We're failing?

Most dems voted for the war, but everyone who voted against the war was a dem.

Not saying we shouldn't have a strong defense. I am saying the defense contractors would love to see us buy systems we don't need for the threats we face in the 21st century. If you want a strong defense, build a strong economy, or we'll not be able to afford it. The cumulative deficits under Bush are the worst in history, Iraq was a huge mistake, business leaders bemoan the US education system and how it and poor infrastructure leaves the US poorly positioned to compete in the global economy, and the majority of parents now think it life will be worse for our kids than it was for us.

If we don't spend more on education and infrastructure and quit offshoring jobs, quit squandering expensive defense capital on wars that weren't necessary, we won't be able to afford a strong defense. This is not tomorrows problem, but it is out there, 10 - 20 years.

We need to be sure we understand the nature of 21st century threats and build for that, not just assume the threats will be the same as in the last century. Preventing internet hacking could be more important than tanks and planes in todays world. How much commerce would be disrupted if internet service was disrupted for a day, or a week?

If we overspend on defense and neglect education and we don't realize the damage that offshoring our jobs causes, we'll underperform in the long run.

 

Re: raqi prime minister says U.S. troops can go 'anytime they want'

Are you saying he would lie about the situation in Iraq?
I expect the liberals and their tv media outlets would lie before a general would.

I just don't see the point here.
My point is that the dems voted for it and yet no one today acts like they had anything to do with it.
Bush wouldn't have been able to go into Iraq without the dem's vote.

I disagree here, we will always need tanks and some of the things you put down as waste for our military.
Some of our most sophisticated weapons are useless fighting al qaeda and probably third world countries.
No matter how technology driven we become, we will still need such weapons to fight some of our enemies on their levels such as house to house combat.
Let me just also say that most of our smart weapons could be dummed down during battle due to the enemy or computer failure.
You will then be glad to have those weapons you don't think we need!

Interesting points.
First of all just because you throw more money in a pot doesn't mean it will make a better meal and the same is true with education.
Washington DC public schools are some of the worst and they receive the most money.
There are plenty of private sector schools that receives less money to work with and does a better job.
The problem with the public education isn't money, its the bureaucracy involved, this is the same thing that is wrong with big
government.
Neither can function efficiently, these are part of the reasons the private sector has streamlined their operations.
So that they can function in an efficient manner and get more bang for the buck.
But I know its evil for companies and government to do this because people then lose jobs!

This is our stupidity isn't it?
We use a vulnerable service like that for such an important function.

You are going on and on about this.
First place if anybody is neglecting the education system it is the teachers union, they don't want their teachers accountable for their actions.
For instance it is all based on tenure and whether one teacher is better than another doesn't matter, they both receive the same pay.
Just like our big out of control government, everyone is the same so their is no incentive for people to stand out and perform better.
Socialism has failed, capitalism is the way to go, that is so obvious in our society today!

I have no problem with jobs being outsourced either.
I've seen numerous articles and tv programs on this very topic.
I guess you would be against people losing their jobs to farming equipment or computers.
The way I see it, it works both ways.
You don't want our jobs outsourced so lets have all the foreign companies in America with Americans working in this country pack their stuff and take their jobs back to their country.

The problem with some of your ideas such as healthcare and education is that we are talking about big government.
There is nothing good that comes from big government whether it was a republican or democrat that created it or sponsered it doesn't matter.
There is nothing worse than a government that has so many hoops to jump through and red tape that it has no way to respond or react in a timely fashion.

 

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Why trust a general, they understand they have to win the military piece and the PR piece. So he says attacks are down in Baghdad (true) and is silent about attacks being up outside Baghdad (lying through omission), talks about Sunni cooperation (true) and is silent about US casualties escalating to record high (lying through omission). All the presidents have lied, and the top generals will also.

See this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States#Foreign_relations_and_military
I mean, how much is enough? Think we can't defeat a couple thousand terrorists hiding in caves and assorted kitchens?

Some good points here. I have heard the most effective and efficient K-12 education system of reasonable scale in America is the Catholic school system, in terms of per capita spending. When you look at the difference between them and public, it is in reduced levels of management. I maintain that better teachers prefer the catholic system because discipline is superior; you don't have to worry about being verbally abused, beaten, or tolerate kids that disrupt the class. But teachers that really want to be there can be there because the learning environment is more positive. Then we get into the home life of the students, and many times it is more positive and supportive of the students and teachers. All that said, I also know public school teachers who love to teach and spend hundreds of dollars out of their own pockets each year because the budget does not allow them to buy learning aids they feel are vital to their class. Money could help to attract and retain more good teachers, it works in private industry. Should we expect to build a world class education system and not have to spend to improve what we have? Is withholding additional funds necessarily a path to improvement?

Maybe you think we should go back to Bic pens and paper tablets? I think we should use the technology and ensure it is hardened.

In an economy that is domestically focused, when farm equipment replaced farm workers, industry created US manufacturing jobs to replace them. The same guy may not have gotten the new job but somebody did. With offshoring, when a worker here is laid off, no new job replaces it, the job goes to India. My coworkers that have been laid off and had their jobs outsourced to India have all taken pay cuts. My company has gone from 0 jobs in India in 2000 to 1,200 today.

This is not always true. The interstate highway system could not have been pulled of by anyone but big govt. It is infrastructure that have given the US a huge competitive advantage in efficient transportation. There are many examples. North Carolina was a tobacco state in the 1950s and all their kids graduated from Duke, UNC, NC State, and they left the state for a good job. N C decided they wanted to change that, and they invented the Research Triangle Park, sold the idea to industry, gave them tax incentives to move there, sold them on the climate, quality of life, and availability of top quality college grads, and they created a success story that thrives today 50 years later. Big govt. can succeed when lead by visionary people that are properly motivated. It can fail when the leaders pander to special interest groups with the intent of lining their pockets. Big govt. can be constrained in its attempts to change by sacred cows (like defense) who refuse to give up a pound of flesh, even though it may be in the best interest of the nation. The combination of bureaucracy and greed holds us back.

 

A bit more on education:

http://www.businessroundtable.org/pdf/20060112Two-pager.pdf

It's a matter of correctly understanding all the challenges and setting the spending accordingly. If the newamericancentury.org neocons (Jeb Bush, closet GWB, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz can over exaggerate the threat from Al Qaeda, and convince us to re-militarize, it will make all their big business buddies happy. But if they neglect other priorities, that are as or more important then they will leave us in truly poor shape in 10-20 years.

When I went to college, tuition was $100 a semester, now its 4,000; its increase by 40 times. That's 1970 to 2007. A 2,000 sq. ft. house went from 35K to 120K, about 4 times increase. We are making it harder for kids to go to college, we have not prioritized education. Maybe its because we are building so many planes, tanks, smart bombs, etc.

You have to pick your priorities wisely and you can't fund them all. When we have 1/2 of the total world spend on defense, I think we've got enough, especially if we were smart enough not to get involved is unnecessary wars to begin with. Then we have to replenish the arsenal, then the defense contractors are smiling, the fat cats win, and our kids have a harder time affording college. Its all about priorities and hard choices. We can run up the deficit some more, the dollar will fall some more, and gas can go to $5 a gal, but we'll pay one way (directly through higher taxes) or we'll pay the cowardly indirect way (through a devalued currency and higher import prices). But you always have to pay.

 

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So you are saying that I've never said anything against this administration and I'm always defending them correct?
Do a search Amigo, your memory has failed you!

The dems are in control of congress and their poll numbers that you like to talk about is lower than the presidents.:lol:
What exactly have they done to earn their money while in power?

Yes, I have asked you three times and the only thing you have said is that you don't like Teddy and that you are against gun control.
That has no bearings on policies of the left.
That was it, I have said numerous times that I have criticized Bush more than you have criticized the left in the last 8 years or maybe forever.
All you can do is make accusations and attack but I can still see through the smoke!

Your talking about my bad memory, defensive, look at your post here.
I must've hit a vein!:lol:
I'm so defensive that is why I have posted articles and I am against the Immigration policies of Bush and the Democrat congress.
The Republican Congress was against Bush's immigration policies.
There is plenty of posts where I have criticized this administration.
You do the very thing you have accused me of doing for being a liberal apologist and supporter, ignoring the policies of the left and attacking the right.
The Dems are in charge of congress and none of you moderates ever point out their mistakes or flaws.
It was a good try amigo maybe next time!:thumb:

EDIT:If you thought I was being defensive with my last post you were wong.
There was some sarcasm there because between talking to you and Houtiger I realize how good the dems are how bad the repubs are.

 

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OK? One of these guys has to be wrong?

 

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That liberal democrat congress voted down Bush's immigration bills. The architects of the bill were from both sides the aisle.