Iraqi prime minister says U.S. troops can go 'anytime they want'

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If we do pull out pretty soon, do you think there's any chance we can get one more run of Shock and Awe for old time's sake? Seems like those great times of hopeful optimism were eons ago.

 

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Iran circa early next year?

 

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The Soviets did unless you forgot.
I was also talking about us pulling out of Vietnam and those that supported Americans were killed.

Or are you going to dispute those two things like everything else?
Or do you have a different version of history?
I think you once told me that you don't like history anyway.

 

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That was bad, but it seems all these 3rd world civil wars end that way. The victor wants to destroy the leadership of the opposition so they can't start the civil war again. Any doubt that's what the south VN would have done to the N. if we could have forced their surrender?

Thousands would have been killed in the N. or the S., just a question of how many americans had to die before the blood letting began, and the number was 58,000.

We occupied Germany and Japan after WWII without losing men because there was no civil war going on. They were both vanquished and had suffered for 4 years. It was just time to start over, and much of the opposition leadership was dead or tried and hung for war crimes shortly after the war. There were hangings both in Japan and Germany, by the US military.

Its not like Iraq as constructed today was ever supposed to be a nation. It was created at the end of WW I, and unlike people were jammed together by the Brits (Kurds, Sunni, Shia), and it has never worked. Democracy won't fix it either. So how many men or we going to let die? What's the fix to the situation? Does anybody know? Nobody has said. We will be better off to get out. We were smart enough in 1991 to not go in, for this very reason. If nobody can state the objective that triggers our withdrawal, and state a policy that will achieve it, and demonstrate that the objective has worth far beyond the price it will require to attain it, then they are failing to justify our continued presence.

My hint: the real problem in Iraq today started at the end of WW I when it was carelessly contructed by Britain. That's the problem. Fix that, and you've got a start. We're allowing ourselves to be constrained artificially by the bad structure created 80 years ago.

 

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Ok I'll bite, I agree however I'm sure innocent people who supported the side that lost was also killed.

Agreed but I'd like to point out that we are still in these countries along with Korea.
The expectations of liberal democrats for us to be out of there is just one sided, they have short memories often, must be the booze and women.

I pretty much agree with your post here except that unfortunately I don't think we can afford to pull out at this point.
Iraq could fall into the wrong hands like Afghanistan did to the Taliban and Al Qaeda once the Soviets left.
Iraq could be worse because you have Al Qaeda, Hezbollah and Iran just waiting for the Americans to cut and run.
Its really very simple.

And let me say that we are still constrained by bad structure today.
George Bush and both sides of the aisle continue to make key bad decisions while running the country.
The way our government works today is we no longer enforce certain laws but we then make new ones to fix that problem.
That also applies to the 9/11 report that suggested a new department when all we had to do was change the law so that the alphabet agencies could connect the dots.

 

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Afghanistan has no financial means of support, except poppies for making heroin. Mix with religious fanatics (who need money) and OBL (who has money, who needs a training ground), = match made in heaven. And a USA not watching or feeling threatened.

Go to Iraq. They have lots of oil. They don't need OBL. They want to dominate their own country and don't need Al Qaeda. Only kicker could be if the Sunni minority wants control and is not big enough to seize it, they could appeal to AQ. But, lets say that's what happens. Lets play worst case scenario. What danger does that pose to the US that doesn't already exist? We can go in any time and mess up their country real bad if they don't control AQ. What is it, 3 weeks to Baghdad? The US will not be caught by surprise in the next 10 years. It is harder to get people and supplies into the US now.

I say leave. Save our money and our people. Buy intel, and take laser shots with predator planes and special forces exactly where the terrorists exist. Fight AQ, not everyone in the middle east.

 

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I don't know.
Are you saying that I was incorrect stating that when the Soviets left the Taliban and Al Qaeda took over Afghanistan?
Are you also saying that Al Qaeda, Hezbolah and Iran aren't in Iraq right now?

I'm actually not sure which part of history you know very well.
The conservative or liberal part.

Yep, Al Qaeda, Hezbollah or Iran would love to take control of it also.
Think about how the world could become blackmailed by hostile forces controlling the middle east oil supply.

I don't think they would have a choice.:lol:
I really don't think Afghanistan wanted the Taliban or Al Qaeda.

That is the worse military strategy I have ever heard.
The more I've thought about it the more I'm convinced of that.
For all those that say leave just how many times did we give up land in a war by retreating and then have to go in a later time and claim the same land over.
You want to give up all that land, worse case scenario we will have another 3 weeks of heavy fighting to take back the same land we know have.
All the second hand arm chair generals that say this would want to impeach or fire any military brass or president that did just this citing bad war policies.
Please name me an instance where someone has used this strategy?
Keep in mind that on second thought I agree that we probably should have stayed out of Iraq.
Saddam was probably as pro-US as anyone we could've had in power there even though he was an evil person.
I don't buy the argument that we shouldn't have went in so we should just leave or lose the war.
We are there, lets kick ass and leave when we can, Japan and Germany's Democracy didn't happen in 4 years time neither will Iraqs.
More history for you Red.

I can't believe how confident you are that we won't be taken by surprise the next 10 years, you must know something I don't.
We shall see, I'm holding you to the fire on this one.:thumb:

 

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My young grandson is over there AGAIN.....second tour....spent more time over there than he got back home before the second deployment. If the Iraqi PM says they can go back anytime, I can tell him where one marine is who is ready to come home. I'll even pay for the **** ticket.:thumb: