You are probably right. George Bush is probably so short sighted that he thought it was a better idea to conquer a nation, depose its leader, and try to change a culture that at its very root is incompatible with democracy than use the bases we already have in the middle east.
If you go back and read my posts you will discover that I meant as a last resort and that its an unfortunate thing if it has to be done. My point is either you go all out and win a war or you don't fight it at all. When you commit to war you have to be prepared to actually fight, win and see it through no matter what happens. You can either invade and occupy these countries or not fight a war on terror at all, what is your solution? Its obvious that it wouldn't be the smartest thing to invade these countries. Clintons strategy doesn't seem to badly now, you either ignore them or send a few missiles into an empty training camp to send a message. Some of you people must not like Harry Truman for his actions in WWII!
How many of them were scumbag muslims? I say kill them wherever we can. No matter what, the scumbags have it better today than they did five years ago. Give us another 10 years of rebuilding (which I'm not a fan of), and you will not recognize the place. Of course, if it were up to me, I would have destroyed the place from the get go, killing everyone, and then taken the oil. Obviously I had no say in this conflict. This poll means about as much to me as the stupid polls they take from time to time around here. Who really gives a **** what the "people" of iraq think? Their opinion stopped mattering when we had to go in and take care of what they wouldn't take care of themselves. If you leave it up to others to settle your problems, you don't get a say in how it's done.
How do they have it better? They had a stable nation, and now they have a civil war. You do realize by advocating genocide you are advocating an extremeism equal to that of the radical Muslims. If we are in Iraq to build a democratic nation the will and opinions of the Iraqis people certainly matter. What were the problems Iraq was causing us exactly? No WMDs, a controlled no fly zone, no connections to Al-Queda, a military that crumbled in three weeks, sounds about as threatening as Canada.
Women and children, too? You have noted your Christian beliefs many times here and now you advocate genocide? With all due respect, what part of "Thou shalt not kill" don't you understand? The scumbags disagree and their feeling is what matters over there. "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor". "Thou shalt not steal". "Thou shalt not covet". I give a **** when the majority of the Iraqis think it is just fine to kill Americans. You keep talking about wanting to kill all the muslims but think it is just fine for George Bush to keep failing his attempt to build a democracy in Iraq for these undeserving, murderous, ragheads who hate us and are killing our troops. I don't get it, Salty. What I want to do is go back to our bases in Kuwait and Kurdistan, leave the crap to the Sunnis and Shiites and let them kill each other. Cheap, easy, effective, and it makes everybody happy.
I just love it when you have 2 so called middle of the roaders tag team against someone. I think they should be accountable by answering some of their own questions first for a change instead of always playing devils advocate and not stating their positions on the subject at hand. This now happens all the time in this forum. Tell those countries overseas that thou shall no kill or bear false witness against thy neighbor. I am so happy we didn't have people like you 2 during WWII. D-Day was a suicide mission compared to our operations of today not to mention the Battle of the Budge. We would've NEVER carried through WWII and both you central moral high grounders would be NAZI's today. Its just like this question. Once you answer your own question I've got one for you and I will answer first to be fair! You answer it first and not only will I tell you what winning is I'll tell you how to do it. I'm not into you and Red's Liberal antics, seems like father and son if not the same person here.
What in the world are you talking about? I state my position here all of the time. Ask a direct question and I'll answer it. We speak out against genocide and you call us Nazi's? Can you possibly be that clueless? You have absolutely lost your effing mind. I have no idea what you are trying to say, SD.
I was actually talking about Supafan and not you.:yelwink2: I'm not talking about you speaking out against genocide. I'm talking about the method of tag teaming and attacking a poster because of his religious stance versus the situation in Iraq or with terrorists. This has nothing to do with you? The quote belongs to Supafan.:grin: Sorry I didn't make things clearer. I will reread back to make sure I didn't misinterpret something!
Sourdough, Salty made a comment and we responded to it. It's what we do here. Nobody attacked his religion. I questioned how he balanced his Christian beliefs with the "kill them all and take their oil" stance that he just made. I think his religious beliefs are just fine, it's his politics of genocide that I question.
Women and children kill people in other parts of the world. They are also used as shields by those that value life less than we do! Since you brought up the old testament and religion and I don't understand why? Why did god kill people in the old testament. Aaron's sons the priest, Isrealites, Soddom and Gomorahh? Its all right if god did it but its not ok if Salty thinks it? How about Judge not lest you be judged? Is that in there somewhere? Polls aren't much different than the votes from American Idol. You can get any result you want! We Know, I will admit this could be a good idea but it could also backfire and be a terrible mistake. If we had to reenter we might have to take the same land by force twice. What would your polls and the American Public think of that idea then? I am not trying to take up for Salty but when someone attacks someone's religious beliefs, I think that is wrong! We are at a time of war, its kill or be killed. The enemy UNFORTUNATELY uses innocent people like women and children for shields or weapons in these countries. What is the answer? Please let us know if you have a better one. The way I see it you can either ignore it and send a few missiles here and there like Bill Clinton, don't faint Red, I think this may be the best strategy under the circumstances unless you want to go all out and invade and occupy these countries which I know you are opposed too. Or you can eliminate the threat by eliminating most of countries which I don't really like either. That seems like the only options of fighting the war on terrorism besides better security at the borders.
