Iraq Conflict enters Fifth Year

Discussion in 'Free Speech Alley' started by red55, Mar 20, 2007.

  1. lsu-i-like

    lsu-i-like Playoff advocate

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    I don't think this is an option (I pray to God it isn't). You sound like a radical Muslim. If you'd been born in a Muslim country it sounds like you'd be screaming in the streets against the infidels.
     
  2. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    Not really, being realistic.
    I'm not for killing innocent people radical muslims are.
    They also use women and children and hide around innocent ones.
    I didn't start this war but I'd like to finish it so that innocent people don't die.
    The problem is that there are terrorist havens, schools in various countries
    and we have no way of doing anything about it without invasion.
    Is that the answer?
    Invasion of countries that harbor terrorism?
    And people think we have problems in Iraq now?:lol:
     
  3. USMTiger

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    No, I wouldn't say that is our biggest problem with Iran, although what you mentioned is a problem for sure. Our problem is that Iran has the potential of either directly invading or at the least installing a puppet government in Iraq, which sits on the 2nd largest oil reserve in the world. And it is estimated that 90% of the country is still unexplored in terms of potential oil. This would mean that the majority of the world's oil is controlled by Iran. That's a massive bargaining chip in terms of spreading influence and growing its militant agenda to other parts of the globe.
     
  4. USMTiger

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    Yes, you are correct. That may have been the wiser approach. I've always thought Iraq was just a beachhead into a larger political conflict. Whatever reasons were offered in the past, this conflict has now evolved into control of Oil and containment of Iran.
     
  5. lsu-i-like

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    Is Iran militant? I know their president was spouting some anti-semitic bs - is Iran unwilling to be a civil member of the world?

    The US started the war in Iraq. I agree it's complicated, but there is no way to kill all terrorists and dissidents unless we try to do an ethnic cleansing.

    The way to end terrorism is through good will. It sounds like pie in the sky, but it's a lot further from nazism.

    Whatever the case, we're in a pickle now in Iraq. We're fighting for oil according to USM with no victory in sight. I don't think oil is worth killing off the religion of Islam. There has to be another way.
     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Iran will not invade or control Iraq. Iranians are Persians, not Arabs and would not be any more welcome than we are. The US can stop iran from threatening any of our allies in the Persian Gulf with air and seapower. 150,000 US troops babysitting the Iraqi Civil War clearly are of no use to us in an Iranian war.

    Oh! Do you mean that most of the world's oil is in the Persian Gulf? Why didn't anybody think of that before? We could have been trying to control that oil all these many decades! :hihi:
     
  7. USMTiger

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    Somewhere in the sarcasm I am missing your point. When in recent history have we actually had direct possession of possibly the largest oil field in the world?
     
  8. USMTiger

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    So if we are nicer to the people who stone gays, kill (the women) adulterers, explode at random moments in crowded markets of innocent civilians and flog women who go somewhere with a male non-relative then they'll leave us alone? Brilliant! Hey , maybe if we go to war on the behalf of Muslims they will like us more. Oops, tried that in Bosnia already. Maybe if we send troops to ensure that the food aid we are sending to the poor downtrodden Muslims gets distributed then they'll like us. Hmm, didn't work in Somalia? Ok then, maybe if we send Billions of $$$ in aid to them, then they'll like us. Oh, the Palestinians and Egyptians still hate us? Hmm... If only we could figure out ways for them to like us better...
     
  9. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    How do you do this?
    I think you have to invade and occupy a country to do this?

    I don't know?
    Isn't that what the Clinton administration tried to do.
    Good will to all countries of the world including terrorist states?
    How do you do this?
    Maybe you piss off one group of terrorists, Arabs, etc because you are nice to another group?

    I think OIL is only one of the problems.
    Let's not overlook the fact that we got rid of a brutal dictator and that most
    of Iraq is better off today than under Saddam no matter what Red thinks.

    Lets also not forget no matter your opinion of going into Iraq we are stuck there, If we leave invaders could enter and take over the country.
    It would be unreal if we had to fight terrorists, Iraqis, Hezobolah for the same land where we occupy today.
    Then what would those that oppose this war say about this strategy that they recommend?
    Its not like you see an army invasion, wall enter into Iraq.
    Many of these forces are dressed like Civilians.

    I argue that its a lot more than oil at stake, terrorism, tyranny, etc.
    You name it!
    That part of the world is so complicated!
     
  10. USMTiger

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    I don't buy this theory. Personal sentiments do not factor into the success of aggressive military action, only the occupation. This can easily be overridden by the application of fear and force. But it won't come to that even if Iran invaded. The concept of Islam is more powerful than nationality to these people.
     

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