Iranian Leader Calls Holocaust "Myth"

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  1. CalcoTiger

    CalcoTiger Live Long and Prosper IVI

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    I worked with some Iranians that served in the Shah's Army.

    They basicaly like to hollar and scream and threaten to kill every one they get into it with. But if you stand up to them and call them on it they backdown and take off running.

    Some of the most gutless people i have ever seen. That is why they strap bombs to themselves and dont face people when they kill them. It doesnt take a hero or person of courage to kill themselves . To do that and kill others just makes you a murderer. Not a hero.

    They are dangerous however because the majority of the ignorant are the ones in power. The intelligent ones left when the Shah was overthrown .

    The only thing these type of countries understand and respect is power and force. Anything else they take as a sign of weakness and makes things more unstable if they dont respect you.

    I dont care if they like us but it is very important they respect us.

    Israel knows how to deal with these people. The United States is too wishy washy and thinks you can negotiate with them.
     
  2. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Don't you think WWII was a good war? The Japanese attacked us and Germany declared war on us. We didn't go out to try and spread democracy there, we defended ourselves and eliminated an enemy by going all out to win. They knew that they started the war and must pay the price for it. The Iraqis, however, were invaded by the US even though they did not attack us or declare war upon us. They don't feel responsible for the war and they despise us.

    The Germans and Japanese deserved our help in rebuilding their country because they cooperated with our occupation. There was no insurgency in Japan or Germany killing American soldiers. They fell right into line, got with the plan, and quickly lifted the burden of responsibility from our shoulders. They became firm allies.

    The Iraqis are hostile and hate us. They continue this insurgency even though they know it only prolongs our stay there. They don't make any sense at all, they are not cooperating, they will never become allies, and they don't deserve our help.
     
  3. LsuCraig

    LsuCraig Founding Member

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    Like I said, there was insurgency attacks in Germany after WWII. You think those people liked being occupied by the Americans and Russians who they were taught to hate? These people killed 500,000 Americans........if anyone should have been left to starve and "stew" it was these peckers.

    Once again, this "hatred" of us by Iraqi's that you speak of is a gigantic overgeneralization.

    And on top of all of your predictions, they continue to prove these Dem's in Congress wrong. Everytime 70% of Iraqi's vote, everyday they are being taught how to defend themselves........it exposes the Dean's of the world for what they.....fringe kooks.
     
  4. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    That is the most laughable thing I have ever read. There were more combat deaths in Iraq in the last month then there were in Germany and Japan combined since the end of WWII. To suggest a German insurgancy shows a lack of knowlege of history.
     
  5. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I'd like to see you document this claim. Seriously, I know nothing about any insurgency in Japan or Germany. Indeed there is evidence quite to the contrary.

    Condi's Phoney History

    "According to America's Role in Nation-Building: From Germany to Iraq, a new study by former Ambassador James Dobbins, who had a lead role in the Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia, and Kosovo reconstruction efforts, and a team of RAND Corporation researchers, the total number of post-conflict American combat casualties in Germany—and Japan, Haiti, and the two Balkan cases—was zero.

    2,153 US military dead and 15,568 wounded by the Iraqi reststance. 291 contractors and journalists killed. Yeah, these wonderful, peaceful souls just love us.

    Dean is definitely a fringe kook on the left. Cheney, Wolfowitz, and Dubya are fringe kooks on the right. So what is your point?
     
  6. LsuCraig

    LsuCraig Founding Member

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    You're like a Les Miles hater........even when things are going well, you can't admit it. They had a vote: "Oh it was a fraudlant vote." Whatever.

    WWII was not fought because we knew afterwards the Germans and Japs would fall right into lock step line with democracy. It had to be fought and then we did what we could to help them along their way. There was insurgency in Germany after WWII. I never said they killed 2100 of our soldiers but you cherry-picking good wars and bad wars gives you unprecedented 20/200 hinsight. Wish I could bet on games the way you bet on which wars you like. Ridiculous. They killed 500,000 of our men.

    Articles on the German Werewolf insurgency.

    http://www.americandaily.com/article/5322
    http://www.carnwyffa.u-net.com/chapter11/werewolf.html
     
  7. LsuCraig

    LsuCraig Founding Member

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    I never made the assertion that German insurgency killed 2100 after the war. But to think that Germany and Japan fell into lockstep with democracy and that we had only gone to war because we knew they would embrace democracy, is also a lack of historical knowledge.

    To ignore the progress being made in Iraq is putting ones head in the sand.
     
  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I have never made such a comment, you made this up.

    All Right, Craig! You finally documented a claim, I appreciate that. But, as your article points out the "Werewolf Conspiracy" did not cause a single American casualty.

    Daniel Benjamin puts a silver bullet in the legend of Operation Werewolf, which, it turns out, was manned mostly by underage kids, caused no real disruptions in the occupation, and killed a total of zero (0) Allied troops in the postwar period:

    In practice, Werewolf amounted to next to nothing. The mayor of Aachen was assassinated on March 25, 1945, on Himmler's orders. This was not a nice thing to do, but it happened before the May 7 Nazi surrender at Reims. It's hardly surprising that Berlin sought to undermine the American occupation before the war was over. And as the U.S. Army's official history, The U.S. Army in the Occupation of Germany 1944-1946, points out, the killing was "probably the Werewolf's most sensational achievement."

    Indeed, the organization merits but two passing mentions in "Occupation of Germany", which dwells far more on how docile the Germans were once the Americans rolled in—and fraternization between former enemies was a bigger problem for the military than confrontation. Although Gen. Eisenhower had been worrying about guerrilla warfare as early as August 1944, little materialized. There was no major campaign of sabotage. There was no destruction of water mains or energy plants worth noting. In fact, the far greater problem for the occupying forces was the misbehavior of desperate displaced persons, who accounted for much of the crime in the American zone.


    Link--I was a teenage Werewolf
     
  9. LsuCraig

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    Yeah, you quoted from one article, I quoted from another. Least I knew what the whole thing was about. You're making things up. I never said Germans killed 2100 soldiers after the war. But you act like everything was farts and roses with our enemies after WWII. Like I said before, you don't want to help the Iraqi's.....you're crap good war-bad war beliefs......all fine and good. The Iraqi's deserve our help more than the friggin' Germans did who killed 500,000 of our men.
     
  10. MFn G I M P

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