Iranian Leader Calls Holocaust "Myth"

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  1. CalcoTiger

    CalcoTiger Live Long and Prosper IVI

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    Maybe it is time for us to take the handcuffs off Israel and let them defend their homeland .

    The Jews do not have a problem killing extremist arabs. They have been engaged with them for thousands of years.

    The American People need to learn that the world we live in now is a different place with different enemies than in the past.

    Arabs are unwilling to police their own so it is necessary for Israel to do it.

    The United States Liberal Media have taken our will to do what is right. They would rather 5000 die at one time in repeated terroist attacks than a few at a time fighting these people where they live.

    All it would take is a statement by America that we will support Israel in the defending of their homeland in any way they deem necesary.
     
  2. JSracing

    JSracing Founding Member

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    it would not let me give you more rep points for this. keep tellin it like it is brother. :thumb:
     
  3. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    i think the holocaust is probably exaggerated. 6 million jews? i wouldnt be suprised if it was more like 4 million or less. plus i dont really care about jews. anyone who is smart should stop being jewish.
     
  4. homertiger

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    Do you write comic strips for the left wing press?:grin:
     
  5. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    There is indeed a large movement for democracy in Iran and the best play that we can do right now is to leave it alone and let it grow. A military invasion would only unite Iranians against us when we need them divided. We cannot convert the Middle East to democracy by conquest. Democracy has to come from within by people who are motivated to get it. A good scenario is that the new Iranian radical President may provoke a backlash internally and allow the moderate opposition back into power.

    We do not need Iraq as a staging area to dominate Iran with air and seapower. We have many bases in the region. The bad scenario is Iran developing a nuclear weapon and using it against Israel or an American base in the Middle East. That would be national suicide for Iran and they know it. Mostly I think they are posturing to be a major regional power and they need nuclear weapons to deter Israel, Pakistan, and India--all nuclear armed.

    We have no pressing need to invade Iran and we can attack them with ease from the airbases we already possess. We cannot isolate Iran geopolitically without the cooperation from the Russians . . . which has been erratic. The Russians desire a warm-water naval base, problems for the US, and a foothold in the Persian Gulf. They will be in bed with the Iranians if we don't make them an offer they can't refuse. Ultimately we have more money than the Iranians and the Russians need it badly.

    This is one of the major problems with the Iraq war. It has sapped our military strength and our political will to make war. The citizens do not trust this president to make proper war decisions. This has emboldened North Korea and Iraq who are now making overt nuclear threats that would not likely have done before the Iraq debacle. They know that the US is not ready for another ground war anytime soon.

    True, Israel won't take any chit from anybody, but they do not have the resources to take on all their enemies without direct military help from the US. We will support them with arms and money, but we will not go and fight for them. Israel has always been careful not to reach beyond their capabilities nor to anger the US by throwing gasoline on the fire. They may strike the Iranians, but not with nuclear weapons or they will lose us.

    Long-time Iran watchers also point out that Iranian rhetoric is aimed at the largely illiterate masses and may not be true policy objectives. Politics work differently in the Middle East than they do in the West. Talk of annihilation of Israel does not equate into serious plans to do so.

    Teddy Roosevelt's foreign policy was "Speak softly and carry a big stick". In the Middle East the policy is often "Agitate loudly and maybe no one will recognize that we have no stick". (see Saddam Hussein)
     
  6. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    thats all fine and good, but you do not favor going to war with iran do you? you continue to talk as if the iraqi war is drawing forces away from other wars, none of which are happening or you favor happening, and presumably would oppose if they started.
     
  7. LsuCraig

    LsuCraig Founding Member

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    I don't know what you are talking about really. Today, 15 million Iraqi's voted, peacefully to elect members to their democratic government. Sunni's and Shias voted together to elect members to parliament.....15 million. Many danced in the streets and praised Bush and our troops. All of the ones running stated it would not work if our troops leave right now. We are training Iraqi's to defend themselves to keep their own government secure and our fighting men,d efenders of freedom will come home over the next year. But this administration has committed a horrible wrong? OK, whatever.
     
  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I do not favor going to war with Iran just because we don't like them. But I do think that we have to be prepared and militarily vigilent because they are a likely hotspot for a future conflict. Iran is not likely to attack us or to attack Israel but they will continue to take advantage of our preoccupation elsewhere.

    A more likely scenario is an empowered Iran attacking one of our allies in the Persian Gulf. That would draw us into war as it did in 1991. The reason we have bases in Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, the UAE, and Saudi Arabia is that those countries are powerless to stop anybody from taking their vast oil wealth without US miltary backing.

    We cannot fight two wars at the same time and everybody knows it. The vast Cold War draftee army navy, and air force do not remain. The highly skilled professional force we now have is not big enough to fight multiple wars.

    You presume wrongly once again. I have enthusiastically supported our wars against Libya, Panama, Grenada, Bosnia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, and Kuwait. There was good reason for those wars and they were fought on our terms and won quickly and decisively.

    I only oppose stupid wars like Vietnam, Lebanon, Somalia, and Iraq. Wars in which we had no good reason to get into, no plan to get out of, and did not go in and win a decisive victory. Instead we went in, fought on the enemy's terms, and tried to occupy a hostile land where the people hate us and are killing our troops. Unwinnable wastes of lives and treasure.

    I am not in favor of starting wars with North Korea, Iran, China, or Pakistan. But wars will happen again, these are the most likely opponents, and what I advocate is being ready for it and winning it quickly on our own terms.

    Are you so foolish as to suppose that as long as we are tied down in Iraq, our enemies will just wait until we are ready before starting some trouble? North Korea and Iran are already testing the water. Pakistan is another Iran waiting to happen, and China is vastly improving the quality of weapons and training of the largest miltary on the planet.
     
  9. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Are we the world's policeman? There are 41 more countries that are dicatorships, military juntas, 1-party states, monarchies, or simply have no government. Are we supposed to spend all of our money and risk American lives to solve their friggin' problems? Who should be next? Monaco, Lichtenstein, or Saudi Arabia? No elections there, either.

    Forcing elections in the middle east was not the reason we went to war. At least it wasn't the reason that we were told. We should try to help struggling democracies as they emerge, but it is useless to attempt to make a democracy by conquest.
     
  10. LsuCraig

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    So wait, you are for the war when everything is over in 3 weeks but not if we encounter any problems? Cause that's what it sounds like. We zoom in, drop a couple bombs, none of our troops get hurt, we zoom out....like going into Wisconsin. Then that's a great American war huh?

    If anything had gone wrong in Panama you would have been against that too. I see. Things getting clearer all the time.

    Your own words make no sense.........the reasons for going into Bosnia-Kosovo, which were the same place, was exactly the same reason we went into Somalia. There was no clearly defined objective in Bosnia. There was genocide going on and it was humanitarian mission. Stop the killing.........so you were for Bosnia but not Somalia? O----K-----I wonder why? One we lost 20 troops. That a way to make hindsight always 20/20 for yourself. Hey, I was for LSU in 2003 but not now......

    Again, whatever.
     

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