Interesting theory on the Iraq war...

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    But you believe this for political reasons, not scientific ones.

    Radical right-wing paranoid fears of the government of the United States of America is one of the crazier factors in the conservative mind. Half of the guns in the country are owned by democrats and moderates. This is a phony issue. Gun control is about keeping guns out of the hands of criminals, not about government confiscation of guns. That is simply not an issue here. The democratic party has never advocated this.

    Plus, you invent issues. The current downsizing of the military is a Neoconservative Republican Donald Rumsfeld policy of making the military leaner and lighter and able to move faster. Be aware than in modern warfare military power is not measured in quantity, but in quality. The giant Cold War military was inflexible and not up to the demand of modern global warfare. Downsizing it over the last two decades has been a bi-partisan effort resulting in a more powerful and effective force.

    The information age is upon us and large heavy forces are slow obvious targets. Our modern military and intelligence capabilities are based on accurate knowledge of the enemy whereabouts, disruption of enemy communications, and precise application of very violent weapons rather than upon overwhelming force.
     
  2. lsu-i-like

    lsu-i-like Playoff advocate

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    :lol: Democrats suck for many stereotypical reasons. Republicans are über cool! Black and white, raa raa raa!
     
  3. PURPLE TIGER

    PURPLE TIGER HOPE is not a strategy!

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    Thanks for telling me what and how to think...typical!

    It doesn't take a genius to know that our lack of concern can trash the planet. Seeing smog in Beijing, toxic waste under schools, glass on beaches, etc. make it quite obvious that we can do much better.

    Blaming everything on global warming though is just politics. I noticed on the weather channel last week that Dallas had 100+ degree temperatures for like the 23rd time this year. The record was around 79 days back 40 years ago yet global warming is something that started under the Bush administration?

    I think more people would be willing to help clean up the Earth if we could do without the overblown scare tactics. It would also help if we had someone with a little more credibility than Al Gore, Barbara Streisand, and Alec Baldwin. Sheryl Crow's idea of using one square of toilet paper was pure genius!

    This is another issue wrapped around oil. Our dependence on foreign oil is a bigger threat than global warming. How does drilling overseas, as opposed to our own, soil save the world's environment? Searching for alternative sources of energy is great but at what expense? If other countries such as China don't stop, aren't we cutting our own throat?

    One last thing...why are liberal scientists correct, yet conservative scientists political? I haven't seen anything definitive to suggest that global warming is the sole responsibility (or even greatly impacted by) humans.
     
  4. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    I'll spell it out for you....
    If Scott Ritter who you think is god says the terrorism threat isn't in the top ten after 9/11 then there is something wrong with this picture.
    There probably aren't 10 serious threats to this country anyway, Russia, china, Iran, terrorists, etc?
    I stated that for the obvious reason of which I quoted and responded to Ritter saying terrorism isn't in the top ten.
    Go back and look!
    If I remember right Ritter was with the UN.
    You just love Ritter because he's anti-Iraq war just like you, convenient, he's your preacher man.
    Let's not forget this is the same UN who was involved in the oil for food program.
    The same UN who's officials were raping women in foreign countries.
    I don't trust any American that works for the UN, they must be way left.
    Shall I go on?

    Let's first acknowledge that you went against most Americans including Dems because you were against going into Iraq all along.
    You were one of the ones who brought us all bad news daily, you wanted us to leave then just like now.

    I like most Americans was for going in at the time.
    I now have mixed feelings but in the time period after 9/11 I was hellbent on doing what needed to be done like most Americans.
    Once again you are dead wrong, you want Bush and America to fail in Iraq because he didn't get your permission?:insane:

    Learned what?
    According to Obama we are winning and the surge is winning?
    Your own candidate says quite the opposite, you are wrong again!:lol:
    You and others in this forum you said the surge would not work is wrong!:thumb:
    You simply don't understand:huh:

    You see, it doesn't matter to me what the reasons are we went into Iraq.
    Once we are there nothing else matters, its too late.
    I want us to win, I realize America isn't always right but this is the best country in the world and we do a lot of good!:grin:
     
  5. Rex_B

    Rex_B Geaux Time

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    Could you please define this?
     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I don't blame everything on global warming. Global warming is a consequence, not a cause. I just point out that denial of global warming is just no longer logically acceptable.

    Nobody is saying that either. Do you understand what periods of time that global warming encompasses?

    It's a more immediate threat, but not a less important one. It can significantly impact human life on earth.

    Then you haven't looked, sir. There are at least a dozen threads on the subject here in the archives, do a search. I have posted dozens and dozens of links to overwhelming scientific evidence of global warming. The polar ice caps are disappearing, the glaciers are almost gone, the temperatures keep rising, the IPCC has consensus agreement, and it does correlate with human impact. In response critics have posted dozens of links to political arguments about the fairness of the Kyoto treaty, about How Al Gore believes it so it must be wrong, or that it was colder yesterday than it was last week, so global warming is obviously silly.

    By all means, if you have seen some scientifically valid evidence that disproves global warming then let's see it. Criticism of Cheryl Crow doesn't qualify, nor do amateur blogsites or political diatribes. Professional climatologists published in technical journals are the most authoritative sources, but the popular scientific press will do for here.
     
  7. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I don't think Ritter is God, I think he is a friggin' expert on Iraqi WMD and I think your grasp of the issue is poor.

    Terrorism is high on the list of things that can embarass and enrage us and frighten people. But understand this. Islamic terroism is no threat whatsoever to destroying the United States. Try to understand this--in the big picture a few thousand Islamic crazies are a fleabite on a camels ass.

    Real threats to our existance are much more deadly and are real-- not imaginary or worried about. These are the big ones

    1. Nuclear missiles from Russia targeted at the US .
    2. Nuclear missiles from China targeted at the US .
    3. Nuclear missile from Pakistan targeted at US bases abroad.
    4. Russian invasion of Europe precipitating another World War.
    5. Chinese invasion of Taiwan precipitating war with China.
    6. Economic war from China causing economic collapse.
    7. Chinese/Russian alliance against the US.
    8. A health pandemic such as AIDS, Ebola, influenza, plague, etc.
    9. An eruption of the Yellowstone supervolcano
    10. Failure to soon find a replacement for oil.

    So what? Ritter was the United States representative on the UNSCOM team and working for the US. He was our expert--no one knew more about the Iraqi WMDs, he had spent 9 years destroying them. If Bush had listened to Ritter's evidence instead of Cheney's ideology, what a difference it would have made.

    I recognize that Ritter was right and Bush was not. You are not either. Are you still pro-Iraq War? Want to stay 100 years, right? :dis:

    No point. You are not making much sense. :insane:

    So what? We live in a democracy and I can point out loudly that the emprorer has no clothes. What on earth are you defending Bush's Iraq policies for? They are completely discredited. Just because you were fooled, well, it isn't something to be proud about.

    Bush has already failed Sourdough!!! I'm trying to get you to recognize it and move on.

    What constitutes victory at this point, amigo?
     
  8. G_MAN113

    G_MAN113 Founding Member

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    Conversely, the case could be made that seeing George Bush fail just so you can say that you were right is more important to YOU than are the best interests of the United States of America. And THAT is just sad.
     
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  9. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    Bingo, I won't waste my time dealing with Red or Rex any further on this subject.
    He didn't acknowledge our conversation about the surge from a few years ago, even Obama said its working, Red and others here said
    it wouldn't.
     
  10. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    Russia was and is the only nation on this planet that has anything close to the resources needed to invade the US. They also have enough nukes to cause eliminate us. The fact that MAD would also destroy them does not prolong us.

    A few thousand towel heads with a grudge do not possess the resources to end the American way of life. That is why terrorism is not a threat to us as a whole.
     

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