Intelligent Design can not be taught in Pa. schools

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  1. Rex

    Rex Founding Member

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    You're correct for once. Religion is an affront to human decency and intelligence, and a constant danger to our security and independence.

    Sure it can, but I'm not a proponent of either.

    I admire Marx although I don't agree with him. Lenin and Mao were perverse monsters.

    I have no idea whose mission statement that is. I've never seen it before, but I agree that Christian fascism must be confronted. That's why I confront it.

    So?
     
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  2. saltyone

    saltyone So Mote It Be

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    :rofl: Man, you've got it bad.

    Yeah, right. Whatever you say buddy. :thumb:

    They all say about the same thing. I find it hard to believe that you wouldn't know who wrote this one. I'd post a link, but in doing so I would be promoting their teachings and I refuse to do that.
     
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    xlnsports Cajun In Exile

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    Rex once again you assume you know someone ... i have read not all but some of the book.... Might i suggest "the cost of discleship by Dietric Bonhoffer or Fear and Trembling by Kierkegaard :wink:
     
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  4. Rex

    Rex Founding Member

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    I didn't assume to know you. I answered your question about religion then urged you to follow your own advice, lest you look like a hypocrite.
     
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    xlnsports Cajun In Exile

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    I will look at the book you questioned and i like the fact you are passionate about your beliefs rex.... I have many friends with dissenting views... i like to debate and be civil to others (hard but can be done). You have a sharp mind i can tell... cya round (yes english is my worst subject ) my typing is getting better and i frequently cause the grammar police to shudder but lets talk you may find we make even become friends LOL :grin:
     
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  6. saltyone

    saltyone So Mote It Be

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    He is already impossible to deal with as it is. You are only making matters worse.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    These elected officials have already been turned out of office by the voters for being obtuse.

    The Supreme Court has already ruled that creationism is not science. This new ruling makes it very clear that intelligent design is simply creationism renamed.

    In any case the new school board officials have stated they will not appeal the decision. It wasn't their fight anyway. The former board members were rejected by the electorate for promoting their 19th century views in the 21st century.
     
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  8. saltyone

    saltyone So Mote It Be

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    Besides the point red. These people were following their hearts. However, like I have already said, they were very poorly organized and lost a case that they had the potential to win.


    Correct. Intelligent design is creationism. That is not the point either. ID does not single out any one religion. It just states that since darwin's theory cannot be proven, this is another possibility. It does not in any way promote Christians, even though Christians support it's addition.

    Them making that statement was a litmus test for the election. That's fine. The people of that area have made a choice and they are the ones who will have to live with it. They weren't "rejected" as you put it. There was a very low turnout for the vote and the final results were extremely close. No one received more than 51% of the votes. In some cases, fewer than 500 votes were cast for any one candidate.

    You would chastise me for speaking about Bush's elections in the way you are this one. You would be the first to point out how close the vote was and how that shows just how split down the middle the people really are. Why doesn't your previous logic apply here?
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    But evolution is a proved theory! Time and time again. Creationists simply do not understand what a scientific theory is.

    It is NOT a wild-ass guess. Lay people often misinterpret the language used by scientists. And for that reason, they often draw the wrong conclusions as to what the scientific terms mean.

    In layman’s terms, if something is said to be “just a theory,” it usually means that it is a mere guess, or is unproved. But in scientific terms, a theory implies that something has been proven and is generally accepted as being true.

    When creationists say that evolution is an unproven theory, what they are trying to say is that evolution is a hypothesis, which is an educated guess based upon observation. But evolution has progressed far beyond Darwin's original hypothesis. An overwhelming body of evidence exists that support and prove evolutionary concepts. No scientific evidence supports intelligent design.

    None.

    I have no problem with creationism, intelligent design or any other creation legends being taught in schools, but they belong in the social studies class along with Greek, Roman, Norse, and American Indian mythology. They simply are not science. Period.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    In terms of politics it does apply, you are correct, sir, and I agree. People are divided on the issue and many have mixed feelings.

    But in terms of science education there is simply no contest. Proponents of Intelligent Design are simply making a mistake in trying to pass it off as science. If they made an effort to promote Intelligent Design in religious studies, civics, or some other social studies curricula, where it is already being discussed, they might make an impact on young minds. Instead, they come off as foolishly antiquated, dogmatic, and unscientific.

    I am not being anti-religious in my beliefs here. Religions are important and offer much comfort and real support to millions. But science must be protected. The church once labeled Galileo as a heretic for suggesting that the earth was round and not at the center of the universe. We should be past this.

    Science cannot be used to affirm faith any more that faith can be used to affirm science. There cannot be a clearer case of apples and oranges.
     
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