Intelligent Design can not be taught in Pa. schools

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  1. homertiger

    homertiger Founding Member

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    Oh well, can't win them all.:yelwink2:
     
  2. saltyone

    saltyone So Mote It Be

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    I'm afraid it is my bubble that has been popped. I've done a little research on this over the last few hours. I don't like what I'm seeing. This is a huge, HUGE, victory for the left and the anti creation camp. This decision was handed down by a 2002 G.W. Bush appointed judge. In an article I read on him, he all but admits that he isn't a Christian. What was Bush thinking appointing this guy?

    He really got a kick out of doing this case. He talked about bragging to his wife while in a grocery store when he saw the case on the front of Rolling Stone magazine. He stated that he "just had to buy one". On top of all of that, he has deep rooted political ambitions. He ran for congress and lost. He almost ran for governor of PA in the last elections. Get this.....he's a lifelong republican. I just don't get it.

    The ACLU is neck deep in this and is providing the attorneys. Now that they have won in PA their next stop is Kansas. They have a huge grassroots camaign going and are hell bent on keeping ID/creation out of the schools. I'm afraid that the only thing that can stop them is a huge voter turnout. We can't count on that when it comes to school board officials and the like. Hell, we're doing good to get our base out for presidential elections.
     
  3. Rex

    Rex Founding Member

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    Oh, so you admit this is all about spreading Christianity, and not about science.

    You're a bigot. So now all judges have to be Christian?

    That Dover ID disclaimer was blatantly unconstitutional, and the people who instituted it have been thrown out on their cans by their electorate (not that that has anything to do with the constitutionality of the disclaimer.) Furthermore, as the judge said, they were flagrantly insulting and dishonest in the presentation of their case.

    You denied yesterday that you want a state religion, but you just admitted that all judges should be Christian. You're as dishonest as the Dover School Board.

    Thanks for playing.
     
  4. saltyone

    saltyone So Mote It Be

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    I'm a Christian. ID does not promote one religion over another. Of course it does refer to God. What other "higher power" is there? My personal motive will always be the advancement of Christianity.

    I don't want a state religion. Do you even know what our founding fathers were alluding to when they made that statement? Obviously not.

    Go and celebrate your victory FAB. Enjoy it while it last.

    I do agree with you about them being stupid in the court room It was almost like they did not plan at all. If I had been on that board I promise you that it would have been different. Their intentions were good, their preparation sucked.

    And, yes if it were up to me all judges would be professed Christians. Just the same as people like you wanting all judges to be communist/athiest. Dont pretend that you're so high and mighty FAB.

    And just so you know. This is not a game to me.
     
  5. saltyone

    saltyone So Mote It Be

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    You can not errase history rex. The current attack on morality and Christianity will fail.

    Here is my junior high school principal Mickey Cleveland. This man truely walks with God and is doing a lot to help reclaim America. Robert Webber was my Jr.high football coach.

    http://www.bibleinschools.net/sdm.asp
     
  6. xlnsports

    xlnsports Cajun In Exile

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    Rex why are you so scared of religion? I read your post and they are always attcking something, do you ever have a happy moment in your life or just scower over papers looking for things to attack? I see faults on both sides and i see too much hate in boths sides posts. I don't know you and this goes for all who post let's argue the facts and try not to attack the person who post's...... ok flame away on me....
     
  7. saltyone

    saltyone So Mote It Be

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    Hang around in here for awhile and you will soon see why rex is afraid of religion. Religion is completely against what he stands for. Communism cannot coexist with organized religion. Marx, Lenin, and Mao are their gods.

    This is part of their mission statement.

    By the way rex. I Love My Wife. :thumb:
     
  8. Rex

    Rex Founding Member

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    To your dismay you can't change it.

    Horace Greely didn't know his history nor his Bible.
    It most certainly was not. There's no appeal to the Bible in the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights is a repudiation of many Bible mandates on the role of religion, people, and government.

    It most certainly was not. There is no appeal to the Bible in the D of I, and its author personally denounced much of what was written in the Bible as lies.


    Christianity and morality are not synonymous.

    He walks with a superstition.

    for anti-science superstitionists.

    They're setting themselves up for a fall. You see, people like that, and people like you, can't help yourselves. They and you have no self-control. They will endorse a pro-Christianity message in those classrooms, and when they do they will have violated the Constitution (if not already) and will get slapped down.


    That home page admits this Bible curriculum is not merely about teaching literature and history, but about spreading a pro-Bible message as a model for American society. You see, I told you you can't control yourselves. This program is doomed to failure, defeated by people who actually love our Constitution.

    You won't get the state religion you so desperately seek.
     
  9. Rex

    Rex Founding Member

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    Read some actual history and you'll get some idea. I suggest Helen Ellerbe's The Dark Side of Christian History.

    Theocracies are anti-human. There's no doubt that many people in this country seek a Christian theocracy wherein free thought is a crime and "blasphemy" is punished severely. There's no mystery why history is tainted with the unspeakable religious horror of witch trials and Inquisitions. I include saltyone as a theocrat. He's already admitted only Christians should be judges.

    Follow your own advice.
     
  10. saltyone

    saltyone So Mote It Be

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    Your definition of morality is different than mine. You know it is, don't deny it. Christianity and morality do walk hand in hand. Can morality exist without religion, sure, but not likely. Other religions teach morals also. So, no it is not unique to Christianity.
     

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