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Intelligent Design can not be taught in Pa. schools

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LSUDeek All That She Wants...

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It's all about Jesus. I am sure plenty of Catholics recognize that, even if the Church doesn't necessarily emphasize Him as much as they should (stop the guilt sermons..... let everyone know that they are forgiven and righteous in God's eyes because of what Jesus did, not what they do or could do).

I believe a lot of preachers who mislead their flock via legalism and false gospels will be in for big surprises.

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martin said:

i agree with salty to some extent. any of you that are christian are exactly as crazy as he is

Salty---I deem it an honor to be as crazy as you. I, too, believe in my salvation being through His grace and my faith. I believe some things are just to be followed with blind faith. The Bible says that God has always existed. I can understand some people questioning that. We, as humans, have always known everything to have a starting point. We are not capable to explain many things and WILL understand it better by and by. The Bible says that one day with the Lord is like a thousand years. Does that mean it took six thousand years to complete His work? I don't know. I just believe He did it. Everytime I held one of my newborn grandbabies, I see His work. Is that real? It comforts me. Do I understand how a loving God can let some of the terrible things in life happen. No. But I do believe that Satan is very powerful too. Never will I state that I totally can explain the Bible.
Sure, there are those who laugh and mock. And it is easy to get angry with them. But later I feel sorrow for them because of the joys they don't understand and can't feel. Anyway, YOU DA MAN BROTHER SALTY!!!
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col reb, Dec 29, 2005

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saltyone So Mote It Be

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Thanks Reb. Like I said, we'll get our answers soon enough. Until then all we can do is keep the faith. Like God said, He's the Alfa and Omega. The beginning and the end. The important thing is that we believe that Jesus was and is the Son of God and trust in Him. All the other stuff will work itself out eventually. :thumb:

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red55 said:

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Also I wanted you to understand that many of us do not believe such an ancient document, written by fallible men, must be literally true . . . but we can still perceive the intended message.

And you are quite entitled to your opionion and decisions. However, some of "us" believe in the concept of God in three persons.
1) God the father
2) Jesus the son who was sent to die on the cross for our sins
3) The Holy Spirit, who God left here to comfort us -- non believers often laugh and ask, "Do mean a ghost?" If it makes you happy, it suits me. Call it the Holy Ghost myth.
We believe that these fallible men were "infallible." We believe that under the influence or power of the Holy Spirit, that these men were not capable of making a "mistake" even if they had wanted to.
I realize this sounds like an uneducated fool to non-believers....but to believers those who mock and ridicule often seem to be educated fools. Everyone has to chose to believe or not. If you chose not too, so be it. I hate to tell you but it is written in the Bible that many will chose not to.
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saltyone said:

Thanks Reb. Like I said, we'll get our answers soon enough. Until then all we can do is keep the faith. Like God said, He's the Alfa and Omega. The beginning and the end. The important thing is that we believe that Jesus was and is the Son of God and trust in Him. All the other stuff will work itself out eventually. :thumb:
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Alfa?

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col reb said:

red55 said:

.Also I wanted you to understand that many of us do not believe such an ancient document, written by fallible men, must be literally true . . . but we can still perceive the intended message.
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We believe that these fallible men were "infallible." We believe that under the influence or power of the Holy Spirit, that these men were not capable of making a "mistake" even if they had wanted to. I realize this sounds like an uneducated fool.
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No, just an illogical pilgrim. You miss my point that the "message" is what is important, not a literal interpretation of every word of the Bible. I've already pointed out above that mistranslation is abundant in out modern bible as evidenced by the misunderstood 6th Commandment.

The bible also contradicts itself an awful lot. How can each of these "infallible" documents be true?

1. David took seven hundred (2 Sam. 8:4), seven thousand (1 Chron. 18:4) horsemen from Hadadezer.

2. Lot was Abraham's nephew (Gen. 14:12), brother (Gen. 14:14).

3. Saul was killed by his own hands (1 Sam. 31:4), by a young Amalekite (2 Sam. 1:10), by the Philistines (2 Sam. 21:12).

4. Jesus is crucified at the third hour (MARK 15:25). Jesus is crucified at the sixth hour (JOHN 19:14-15) .

5. Does God repent?
(Genesis 6:6) God does repent.
(Numbers 23:19) God does not repent
(I Samuel 15:11,35) God does repent.

6. Who has seen God?
(Gen 18:1) The Lord appeared to Abraham.
(GEN 32:24-30) Jacob saw and wrestled with God
(EX 24:9-11) Moses & 73 elders gazed upon God.
(Exodus 33:11) God spoke to Moses face-to-face.
(Exodus 33:22-23) God allowed Moses to see his "back parts".
(Deut 34:10) God spoke to Moses face-to-face.
(IS 6:1-13) Isaiah stood before God and saw him
(Ezekiel 1:27-28) Ezekiel saw God in a vision and described Him in some detail.
(Amos 7:7) Amos saw God.
(John 1:18, 6:46) No one has ever seen God.
(1 TIM6:16) God is un-seeable
(I John 4:12) No one has ever seen God.

7. How does God feel about the making of images?
(Exodus 20:4) Image-making forbidden
(Exodus 25:18) God commands the making of two cherubim.

8. What of the dead?
(Job 7:9) The dead will never rise again. They will have no further reward.
(Ecclesiastes 9:5) The dead will never rise again. They will have no further reward.
(John 5:28-29) The dead will rise again to be rewarded or punished.
(I Corinthians 15:16,52) The dead will rise again to be rewarded or punished.

9. What of the Earth?
(Psalms 104:5) The Earth will last forever.
(Ecclesiastes 1:4) The Earth will last forever.
(Hebrews 1:10-11) The Earth will perish.
(II Peter 3:10) The Earth will perish.

10. Last words?
(Matt 27:46) Jesus' last words were "MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME?"
(Mark 15:34) Jesus' last words were "MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME?"
(Luke 23:46) Jesus' last words were "FATHER, INTO THY HANDS I COMMEND MY SPIRIT"
(John 19:30) Jesus' last words were "IT IS FINISHED."

col reb said:

However, some of "us" believe in the concept of God in three persons.
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And others do not. "God is one God" (DEUT 6:4).

col reb said:

....but to believers those who mock and ridicule often seem to be educated fools.
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Using the brain God gave us to question the faithful about concepts that are puzzling is NOT "mock and ridicule". Why do you fear these questions? Why do you ridicule those who seek knowledge by painting them as "fools"?

"But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: . . . whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." (Matthew 5:22)

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LSUDeek said:

Alfa?
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Oops, Alpha. You know what I meant. :hihi:

saltyone, Dec 29, 2005

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red, god can do anything. he is like quantum awesome. he can have truth exist in two separate and contradictory states and have both be true at the same time. they are in a gospel truth tranpositional state. just like schroedingers cat is alive and dead, an electron can be here and there, jesus can say both of those things as his last words.

at least salty and reb have the guts to believe the word of our lord. unlike these other losers who figure those parables and whatnot are not literal, because they are too silly. the same people who are happy to believe the crap out of other stuff exactly as crazy, they just find slightly more palatable.

i mean is it so crazy to believe in the literal snake and tree and garden, if you are willing to believe in resurrection or the trinity or forgiveness of sins? i think it is curious that people can believe john 3:16, the central premise of christianity, but reject other stuff as "too crazy, must be symbolic".

martin, Dec 29, 2005

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Matthew 5:22 Believe it or not, I thought of that passage when I posted that and was "foolish" enough to go ahead and use that phrase. :thumb: And thanks Red, for those questions. I'll try to spend a little time on them. Hate to speak in "haste" as I did earlier.:thumb:

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col reb said:

Everyone has to chose to believe or not. If you chose not too, so be it. I hate to tell you but it is written in the Bible that many will chose not to.
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Most people never make a choice - they simply accept what they were taught from birth.

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