I'm talking about middle-class jobs lost and becoming low-pay jobs. We don't need a peon working class in this country. A hard-working carpenter or other construction specialist has traditionally been able to get good work in America. But contractors using dirt-cheap illegal Mexican laborers now get the low bids and much of the work. Just go to New Orleans to see it in action. It's business as usual in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and California already. These are NOT jobs that Americans won't do. These are jobs that American citizens will do and always have done. These are citizens who pay taxes, send their kids to college, pay for heath insurance, invest their money in America, and pay social security. Obviously, they can't work as cheaply as an illegal Mexican carpenter who pays no taxes, no social security, lives in a shack, gets free goverment health care, and who sends what small profits he makes to his mother in Chihuahua. What I'm saying is the illegal Mexicans have gone way beyond picking fruit and being hotel maids, which are areas where a Mexican can get a legal work visa anyway. They are now taking mainstream US jobs away. Bring 'em over where WE need them, just don't let them flood in here because THEY need us. And make them all register and get a work permit. We have to at least keep out the Al Qaida, the criminals, those with infectious diseases and such. We also need to track them so that they can be deported if they violate their work permit by bringing their families with them, taking unauthorized jobs, and trying to get permanent resident status. A work visa is a work permit, not a ticket to US citizenship. It lets them come here and work for many years, if they behave themselves, and make enough money to go back home to Mexico and live well. But they don't retire here and raise kids and stay permanently. If they want to be a US citizen then they have to go through the same US immigration procedures and quotas as people from any other country. They are human beings and should be treated fairly and paid well. They are doing certain jobs that benefit the US, but they cannot be allowed to just come into the country, go where they please, and stay as long as they want to--all the while accepting public handouts while contributing no taxes. And waving the goddamn Mexican flag at protest marches on Main Street USA. They are not citizens, the only privilege they have here is the right to leave.
Isn't that further reason to not criminalize the actions of the Catholic Church as the House Bill would. The Church provides these services without taxpayer money.
DOL explains it in a round-a-bout way. A long but interesting read (sort of). http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm Some key points:
How so? Those jobs you mention would be filled by Americans. There is no job Americans won't work. There are jobs that employers won't hire Americans.........because of unions, minimum wages, health benefits etc etc that may be required to hire legal workers. But my question was, politicans, even Bush himself said illegals fill jobs that Americans won't have. How is that so when we are almost at full employment. Americans will have those jobs and many do.....we're almost at full employment and many of those employed are at labor jobs that businesses would rather fill for cheap cash for illegals.
If we are at full employment - basically every one is employed in a job already. If we kick all the illegals out, that leaves a whole bunch of job openings & no one to fill them. It's not necessarily that Americans won't do the jobs, just that very few of them want (relative term here of course) to - especially when welfare pays more than they do.
I see what you're saying now. Yeah I agree. It's either what you described or the amount of illegals working is exaggerated. There is no way all 11 million are working. That's why I think the majority are coming over here to be taken care of with benefits. Now with the 2 parties fighting over who can give illegals the most stuff, it seems to me we are putting the cart before the horse. Before we figure out what to do with the 11 million already here, we ought to be figuring out a way to keep another 11 million from coming in illegally. OK, so we pass a few laws, congressmen speak spanish to woo some voters, naturalize at once all 11 million....what have we really done? If we don't keep them from coming in, via a wall, in 10 years we'll be discussing what to do with the next 11 million.
11 million doesn't seem like it is necessarily exaggerated to me. I think the vast, vast majority of the ones here do work. Some do get benefits of course, and that is because politicians have pandered to the mexicans to try & get their vote. A mataphorical, or a literal wall? I don't think we need a literal wall. We do need something to stop them, but the main thing would just be doing something about it when we find them.
We should just put civil servants on the border to document these guys as they come over. When employers realize they will have to pay them legitimate wages, and pay taxes they will stop hiring them. With no jobs they will stop coming.
I dunno. Its probably an economic wash. If they had their papers it would shut alot of right wing extremeist wackos up. That might be the benefit.
