Sorry, I'll hold an opinion on anything I want to. You certainly don't stick just to things you know about around here. I appreciate your viewpoint, but there are others. If I get a fact wrong then call me on it, but just telling me not to speak heresy doesn't cut it. If you want to discuss the issues, then I'm willing. But if you are only interested in insulting those you disagree with, suggesting we have no right to speak, and shifting the topic to "liberals" and "leftists", then you are just boring us. Come on, People like me and you don't matter a damn. It's the politicians in charge who are mismanaging this war. Marine Generals like Tony Zinni have made it clear that Rumsfeld disregarded their plans and has been running this show from the Pentagon. You take this way too personally. My criticism is of the politicians conducting this war, not the troops fighting it. Are you suggesting that if criticism just went away, then the insurgents would go away and the Iraqis would all love each other and join us in peace and harmony? Let me show you something a wise man once said and I agree with totally. "We are not an occupying force. We are an expeditionary force to be used to gain a foothold and then move on. . . . Mission of a Marine Corps rifle squad.... Locate, close with, and destroy the enemy by fire and maneuver. Repel the enemies assault by fire and close combat. Not peacekeepers. Warriors. --Saltyone, 2006" The US military won the war in 21 days, sacked their capital, captured Saddamn, satisfied us that there is no WMD threat . . . what else do we have to prove to anybody? It is this endless occupation that is unwinnable militarily and it is making very poor use of some fine warriors. We've proved to our enemies that the US can take down your country and stay there as long as we want to. We don't have to stay forever to make that point, in fact it hinders us if we do. It ain't a war against an enemy nation any more. It's a law enforcement fight against criminals and a political fight between local factions and we can't babysit the Iraqis indefinitely.
Does that include in the time of war? I have no problem with people and their rights for dessent or free speech at peace time. In war time it is a different story. Have you ever heard about United we stand Divided we fall? We didn't win Vietnman for many reasons one was that we weren't United. I would argue that most that dissent about Iraq, it is all partison. It is only Liberals and their supporters on the left. Quite different than anything Thomas Jefferson could've imagined. Lets bring in the news of today for ratting out our strategies for fighting Islamic Facism. I do think we need a panel of "civilians" to police the newspapers during a time of war since they can't seem to do it themselves. These civilians would be an equal number from both parties. I don't fear Liberals, especially far left, I pitty them. I fear the Liberals don't get the credit they deserve for the casualty count since they are partly to blame by going on tv and attacking the president and the war which gives the enemy strength to carry on their Jihad. America's own worst enemy is itself, United we stand Divided we fall. Sounds about right!:dis:
Of course. No, it isn't. Show me where it says that the Constitution is suspended during wartime? I think some folks put personal loyalty to a politician above the principals of the Constitution of the United States of America.
I wasn't talking about the Constitution. No, not really. I would say those that are putting personal loyalty would be on the left. Ted Kennedy, Dick Durbin, John Kerry who has changed his view more than once. Also those that say Bush stole the elections so they are going against everything he has done. If a Democrat went into Iraq the left sure as heck wouldn't have done what they have. I don't have personal loyalty to the president, I have loyalty to a country. I care about those killed at time of war thats why i blame both sides for casualties while others choose not to admit or ignore that they have played a role in their deaths. Those that say its Bush's war, theres your personal loyalty from people on the left to the left, they seem to care more about that than to the country. One thing is for sure, the terrorists or Islamic Facists are partly right. This country has a weak stomach, no way we could stomach a real war, one reason is that the New York Times and half the newsmedia will take the wrong side. I think people need to think things through before running their mouths. Those in power and on tv especially. My opinion: I'll say it one more time, United we Stand Divided we Fall!
Disdain over this war isn't partisan. The majority of Americans beleive this war is a mistake. To try and pain the anti-Iraqi war movement as a leftist liberal movement is intellectually dishonest.
Wow, I don't know where you get your information? Majority of Americans believe this war was a mistake? Give me a break, that changes with the wind. First of all I don't believe that is the case and if it is that will change. Proof is coming out of Iraq. It is intellectually dishonest to ignore the truth. 1) terrorist training camps in Iraq 2) No WMD's in Iraq? 3) Casualties are Bush's fault only while those on tv attack the war effort and put more soldiers at harms length encouraging the enemy. Now they could be finding ties to Saddam & Al Quada. That is intellectually dishonest, sir.
BTW, what % is your majority of Americans? This war is quite partison and I can prove it is a leftist liberal movement thanks to Ted Kennedy and Dick Durbin. The point is far left Liberals are the ones that started this movement the same ones that said Bush stole the elections. I'm not saying its 100% partison either. There are a few followers that sway in the wind. If the majority of Americans think this was a mistake was does this mean? Are you against it and want us to pull out?
70% is a clear majority, amigo. Washington Post Poll No sir, it has been a steady decline since the war started. http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm "Disapprove of way Bush handling the war" has risen from 22% to 68%. "The war is not worth fighting" has risen from 40% to 70% "The war in Iraq has helped the war on terrorism" has fallen from 65% to 44% Other interesting poll numbers: "Contributed to long-term peace and stability in the Mideast" NO=58% "Damaged the United States image in the rest of the world" YES=70% The people think the administration has fouled up but they realize the military is doing a fine job. "U.S. military forces in Iraq are doing their jobs" YES=85%
Interesting.... In case you don't know I don't watch much news anymore. If this is true than I am in the minority but none the less I believe I am right for several reasons. 1) I'm not easily swayed by the left & its rhetoric. 2) Terrorist Training camps in Iraq 3) WMD's in Iraq You can argue these facts all you want but it is fact that Saddam was in violation of UN resolutions and did have WMD's in Iraq whether they were old or new is stretching the point, still WMD's there. I am with the majority saying that we could've handled certain portions of the war better. Then there remains to be seen if Saddam did in fact have ties to Al Quada. Keep in mind I've always said that a few years meaning as long as we've been in Iraq isn't a lot of time on a larger scale. I still say that people will sway in the wind when it comes to polls. We could have a significant find in Iraq and it could be 70% the other way. This is why I like presidents that makes decisions right or wrong and deal with the consequences later like Truman and Bush. PS History will give all the answers to this story.
Red, I stand by my statement that the Marines are not right for this kind of mission. That doesn't change the fact that, while they are there, they will perform their duties to the utmost highest standard. Those that are questioning the integrity of the Marine Corps will be proven wrong. I have said this over and over again....The public display of non-support for this war is costing American fighting men their lives. The enemy is encouraged by the apparent lack of support over here. Every time some idiot goes on the news, and preaches setting a withdrawal date, they help the enemy. Nothing would scare these MF's more than seeing a unified and focused America. Whether or not you like Bush, you should still want to see our military win. We cannot afford another Vietnam. If we do not finish what we started, we'll never be taken seriously again. Since when are we quitters? Withdrawal, at this point, is defeat. We're the ****ing United States of America. We not going to let some half starved, piece of ****, goat ****ing, non shooting, uneducated, raghead, rug carrying, small dicked bastards keep us from accomplishing our mission. Love it or ****ing leave it.
